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I feel that some people are taking what Steptoe, myself and others have said. I feel he was a good man for defending his country, and if that is true
Ghost it makes him a true patriot. That takes alot of courage to do and he deserves recognition for that.
However I stand by Step - this guy is no more of a hero than any other man/woman fighting out there at present or any man/woman that
has fallen. In Iraq, WWI,WWII, Nam etc, they are all people that have laid down their lives, they have all given up something. Who's to say how much
this 'deal' meant to Patt, was not matched by the how much something else meant to that other soldier?
Point Im trying to make is ok he gave up that deal to defend his country - but ordinary men/women gave up things too, lives, families, jobs etc. His
'deal' should not be looked at as being more important than a family or something which I feel it has. (When I say ordinary I mean those that were not
in the public eye, normal working people - not celebs etc.) He has been hyped too much.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TradeMark™
Point Im trying to make is ok he gave up that deal to defend his country - but ordinary men/women gave up things too, lives, families, jobs etc. His
'deal' should not be looked at as being more important than a family or something which I feel it has. (When I say ordinary I mean those that were not
in the public eye, normal working people - not celebs etc.) He has been hyped too much. |
thank you trade thats what i was trying to say on my previous 3 posts.
again ghost he got an Silver Star for saving a group of rangers, and yes by far he did live up to the creed, but so did 60,000 others and yet people
dont care, if i read down the names of 6 silver star winners ,9/10's you wont even know who the person is.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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The First VC Recipient in 20 years
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My great uncle is over from the US at the moment tending to family matters, he was here this morning and asked me if I still play DF, want to join the
RAF when I'm older and pretty much just catching up, havent seen him in a year or so. (He is ex Air Force, British and US) If he had seen this thread
he would have have been either upset or very angry, because he was telling me a good friend of his was killed in Iraq a while ago. Try telling him
that this Patt bloke was a 'true hero' - the circumstances of my uncles friends death are unclear right now because he didnt really want to talk about
it that much understandably. Perhaps he didnt go back for his fellow squad mates or anything like the footballer did but he laid down his life for his
country. He leaves a wife, 1 child and the rest of his family.
Now I could start a new thread claiming him to be a 'True American Hero' couldnt I? But I wont, he was brave to go into battle as was Patt. This
celebrity is no more of a hero than my uncles friend.
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Man.. you guys are all out of line in my opinion..
FFS.. the guys obviously a hero.. you guys are just pissed cause every soldier isnt given the same level of media coverage.. which is funny
considering you act as if your pissed your 'heros' dont get the same attention.
No one said.. The only hero ever.. and No one said.. This is a 'true' hero and all others are false..
Crimony.. of course hes got some attention by the media - he was an NFL star .. people knew him.. and it was News when he left the NFL.. if an NFL
player died in his sleep it would have made the news.. if you say differnt well get your head outta your ass..
And BTW.. many outside the US may not realize it.. but the majority of our military DOES NOT enter to go off and fight a war.. or to be patriotic or
to protect our country.
They join for self motivating reasons such as a free college education or to see the world.. the vast majority in our armed forces join EXPECTING
never to see combat and this has been shown by the problems the US military has had recruiting since we have been at war in Iraq.
Pat Tillman (and many others) chose after 9/11 to join. . BECAUSE we were at war.. and in a country where the vast majority of citizens are figuring
out how to avoid service I think that in itself can be considered heroic.. but when you consider he gave up litterally the chance of a lifetime (to
play in the NFL) to earn 18K a year and sleep in the dirt.. and then died saving the lives of other sldiers.. keep in mind most of our soldiers made
the choice between working at burger king for $7 an hour.. or joining the military and getting free college tuition.. you may not like it.. but its
the truth.. and to compare thier giving up working flipping burgers to dropping a multi year multimillion dollar NFL contract is a load of horsehit..
Thats besides the fact that the ENTIRE time since he jointd the military he denied ANY media access and asked the military to not make a big deal of
his service.. and just have him serve as an 'ordinary bloke'.
He never sought out glory .. or press.. he never sought to use the entire thing to make himself do better though he surely could have.
This man gave the ultimate sacrifice for his country.. and for the rest of the world.. cause let me remind you this was in Afghanistan not Iraq.. and
he was fighting the terrorism that could be in your streets or mine tomorrow..
This man was as much a hero as the many men who have fallen in battle before him and as much as the many who have fought bravely and returned.
Anyhow.. its not due to what he gave up for a career.. its cause of his courage under fire.. his selfless dedication to saving his fellow soldiers
and for making the ultimate sacrifice in some armpit of the world so that people like you and I may go to sleep safely at night..
The career he gave up simply was what made him noteworthy enough for the media to pay attention and cover the story of this guy. who I think is a hero
in the company of many more heroes like him.
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To the above speach...
HEAR HEAR!
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