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AMERICAN HERO
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Steptoe
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So just because he was a sportsman before going into the services..does that make him better, a bigger hero, than the rest of the servicemen killed in
a ambush.
Or does the news just sell more newspapers cause he was a public figure before hand....
Theres no way, I would honour him over and above the rest, to the detriment of the other guys.
Its an insult to the the ordinary Joe Public, who joins up, serves with as much , if not more honour, and dies.
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The Bishop
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blimey, I'm agreeing with steptoe.
here here.
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Sorry but who is Pat Tillman!...
I have a lot of respect for those service men who put their lives in danger for us, no matter who he is..Remember they r the ones who face death every
day. Wondering if today is the day that a bullet has their name on it..And yes I will stand down and hold my fire for 1 min..Total respect and a
prayer for all those that have fallen (British/American)
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Im watching the news at the moment and apparently this man was a good american football player whom was offered a 'big multi-million dollar deal' to
play for some team. I strongly agree with Steptoe . Just because he was a good sportsman doesnt make him a hero, he was brave for fighting for his
country yes but so is every other man and woman out there. I would not though call him a 'True American Hero' at all, this man was in
the publics eye before the war - this is the only reason all this 'fuss' is being made - its unfair to praise him over the others that have fallen,
fought and still are as I type this.
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Pat Tilman is somebody that the American public knows about so he is a person whom they can rally around. just like Jessica Lynch was in Iraq. Pat
just symbolizes a guy who gave up everything
to server his country we have people here that claim only poor minorites jouin the military now here come a man that was not poor and had achieved the
American dream and gave it all up to serve so I guess that makes him a Hero.
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in war a hero is defined as someone who goes up and beyond the call of duty in combat, a hero isnt somebody who joins the military and gave up a
sports schloarschip, ive seen the news reports to and i think what tillman did was good, but it doesnt make him a hero, the real heroes are the ones
who are still buried over there (France,Belgium) that never came back, the people in 9/11 are heroes becuase they gave there lives for another human
being, police officers are heroes becuase they risk there lives for the sake of others,
Tillman in my books isnt really a hero sure he gave up an NFL contract to fight, how about the whole other lot? the MOH winners how come they don't
get any televised moments? how about the other million and a half soldiers who like Tillman gave up there dreams so they could fight? so far he and
Lynch are the only two soldiers to be proclaimed as heroes, but you have to ask yourself where are other million and a half soldiers who died keeping
freedom dont the nam vets get called heroes aswell, or WW2? like you said on the Freedom post, where is your dad on tv? how come he isnt proclaimed a
hero, your dad must have given up something a dream or something just like tillman, but he isnt on tv he doesnt get a 15mins of fame.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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Both my Dad and I both served our country and neither of us wanted or need regognition from the general public. Pat never asked for all this coverage
in fact after he decided to go into the service he refused to give any interviews with the press. Pat is a Hero as is all of the people in the
Military who volunteered to serve their country.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
Both my Dad and I both served our country and neither of us wanted or need regognition from the general public. Pat never asked for all this coverage
in fact after he decided to go into the service he refused to give any interviews with the press. Pat is a Hero as is all of the people in the
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but no other soldiers wanted media coverage and the media never bothered them, how come they make such a big deal with tillman? so far in all the
news cast and so on (execpt Jack Cafferity's) no one has ever said anything about military soldiers being heroes
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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Steptoe
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1/ We in NZ know who he is...do u guys know who Carlos Spenser is?
2/ he could afford to make the choice
3/today is ANZAC Day...for all Aussies And Kiwis...also a special day for Crete, Greece, Turkey, respected in France, Belgium.
Now do u think it would be bad taste for me to make a post like that above for a Kiwi or Aussie solder on the dawn of venterians day, or 9/11
This is a international site, with that in mind, some counties should show respect to others here and not assume just cause they have had a few bombs
go off or servicemen overseas, that other countries also have theres.
Today we pay homage to our solders, who not only died, but who have served in more conflicts and wars than any other country in the world.
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I couldnt load the picture, but I could read. "AMERICAN HERO". That he was. He gave up what some people would sacrifice crazy things for. A huge
multi-million dollar contract, which would have made him grow in popularity and become even more wealthy. Just because he was a good sportsman doesnt
make him a hero, youre right, but the fact that he gave up all the was living for to fight for us. He joined the Rangers, some of the best in the
world, and fought proudly and died proudly.
I didnt see anyone say that his sports career made him a hero, its his American spirit and courage that makes him a hero.
---remember Pat Tillman
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There are alot of heros over there...
Loss of a fellow Coastie over the weekend…
This is the first Coast Guards “Combat Death” since Vietnam.
Article: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-libruc0426,0...
Fair Winds and Following Seas… Petty Officer Nathan Bruckenthal
Semper Paratus
«K»§wèépër™ «§»
Council Member / Recruiting Officer
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One thing you fail to realize about this great man is that he turned down an interview with CNN news corrispondent Wolf Blitzer when he flew to the
region to interview him. Pat Tillman didn't want to be treated any differently than the next Ranger.
If any of you had a contract worth 3.6 million dollars I highly doubt you'd turn it down to make 18K and put your life on the line. He did and he is a
hero in my eyes.
Not to take away anything from those who lost their lives in the war on terror or any other conflict but this man truely was a one of a kind.
Charactor is the only word that comes to mind.
I will never forget those who have died for my freedoms and I will never forget Pat Tillman either.
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Whether he was a good sportsman, had turned down an interview with CNN, turned down a contract worth big $$$ it doesnt make him any different to any
other fighter out there in my eyes. What he did was very patriotic Bongo - but there are still patriots out there fighting, and there are already
patriots that have fallen. This man should be no different in his praise.
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-US-Ranger1776
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It does make him different. If you ask everyone in the armed forces why they are there, you would not receive the same answer. "Education".
"Leadership skills". Stupid things like that, they dont really care, its just using the military to get what they want, and then when you hear about
some loser who ran to Canada scared he would go to Iraq, then you know what it is about. Pat truely cared, thats the difference between him and all
the others.
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Is A Hero
He is a hero but not because he gave up a multi-million dollar contract. He is a hero for the same reason that all men and women serving in the
services are heros. They are putting there life on the line to protect others freedom and safety. He is not a hero because he gets coverage on the
news and others don't get as much, but he is a hero because he died for what he believed in and that was FREEDOM.
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my last post wasnt about questioning others in the armed services, but to question why people forget about the others, as i said before almost 10
billion or so men, women and child laid down thier dreams (some of whom like the TML of 1942 (the whole team joined the same regiment)(only 5
returned))yes he laid down his life and gave up a sports scholarship and instead joined the Rangers, if you look around you look inside any other
military wheter he/her's an American, Chinese, Britihs, Australian or New Zealander , you will see people who are Farm boys, people who were once were
in trounle with the law, people who were once Rugby players or baseball. im no stranger to the honor code of the military heck ive studied it.
my main intention was to question why people seem to forget and why people seem to think on former football player was an hero when so many others
like him gave up there lives and put thier lives on hold for our freedom, if you ask any soldiers and ask him "do you think of yourself a hero, do
you think you make a differnce" there answer is going to be "you see the crosses and the dead there" there the heroes. Yes i am also aware that he
declined press coverage which is good for a soldier yes i'm also aware that he joined after 9/11, but so did others, yet there names arent known and
people seem to care about one soldier a former football player who took the army instead of the NFL and gave up a career, but so did many others, most
of these soldiers were former high school foot ball players, yet there names arent known and people don't care. i.e. when i ask people do you know
Col. Nicklin (he too was an CFL player, who gave up his contract and died in Germany, he too didnt want any press around him)
I guess some took it the wrong way saying "do you not see that many people gave up there lives"
one more thing, im planning to join the army myself in a year and a half (16 is the age to join), some say i should just be a demographer(becuase i
got good grades in the people portion of the course) or some professer, some even question me, i like many others want to give something back to my
country, i want to give something back to the country im proud to live, in. i could really care less about money or greed.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
¡XPrivate Johnson Beharry
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There are many heroes that are not known. This is normal. Why Jessica Lynch was so popular? Was it the Army's doing? A promotional stunt? Maybe. It
happens all the time, some random person receives publicity and the other does not. But sometimes the other doesnt give a [Censored].
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Not A Hero???
He is a hero, not more and not less then any others who died in war. Just remember this...
There is no such thing as a live war hero...
The only heros in war, are the ones who don't come home.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Messenjah*SH*
He is a hero, not more and not less then any others who died in war. Just remember this...
There is no such thing as a live war hero...
The only heros in war, are the ones who don't come home. |
Thats rubbish, and a insult to all those ordinary blokes with families,children, jobs, futures, who joined up to defend their country...espec those
from WW1 WW2
And if the logic is applied to those police, firefighters ppl who survived 9/11......
well I just refrain from finishing further comments on your post....I think the general drift where im going is obvious.
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I do see where your going...
But i DID say "hero's in WAR"...the firefighters, police, etc. ARE heros...i was just talking about the WARTIME hero's...and believe me...any vet you
ask what a hero is will give you what i said...cause thats where i got it. but oh well, no harm ment to those who did survive...you fought, you lived,
you made your counrty proud! < S > to all of you who made it back...
one more thing Steptoe...if they fought for their country, families, and themselves...then they shouldn't be called Ordinary Blokes...
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My father, grandfather, uncles, cusons and friends served, died, where PoWs, servived, and are just ordinary blokes, who did what they thought was
right for their families and country....thats what a ANZAC ordinary bloke is like and does.
The ordinary bloke does it cause it needs to be, not for glory, not to be a hero, not to be famous, or medals or blow his trumpet or have others blow
it for them.
I realy dont think that u guys in the States realy understand the quiet modesty, humility, quiet respect of the ANZAC ordinary bloke.
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just looked up bloke it meant ordinary man, step is right these were ordianry boys (most werent even 18), these soldiers put down there lives so we as
in the world to have a better chance to live in a free from terrorization, free from oppresion and just do what we can do now.
step is right here in North America we could care less about those ordinary troopers who laid down there lives so we can do what we want, when they
themeslves didnt have a chance of completing there own lives. In small countries like New Zealand and Vietnam they honor there fallen soldiers and
those who stood up against the enemy, students (im assuming) learn about there grand fathers, uncles, dads, brothers and sisters deed in the time of
conflict, here in North America we dont stop to think about it, we dont ask why or we dont want to learn the sacrifices made.
FDR once said
"Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that
men have died to win them."
and Winston Churchill after the battle of britian. this one really hit me
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
George Orwell
the regular soldier in battle fights for one thing (maybe 2) but LTG. Gen. Hal Moore put it the best
"The ordinary soldier, doesnt fight for mom, apple pie the flag or even what some president says on t.v, they fight for each other" (ordianry soldier
wasnt it the orginal had American but it doesnt matter)
and by a night stalker pilot
The courage of 100 men
Is what he holds inside,
He does it for his fellow man
He does it for his pride.
Amidst all the heroes
He does it not for fame,
Bravery is his legacy
note: if you dont know what the night stalkers are, there the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Avaition Regiment) or Night Stalkers for short there
named that becuase of their ability to master the night, they can fly at night as if it were plain day light.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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i think that all the members of the armed forces are heros..not just one person who played sports..... i have all the respect in the world for the
members of armed forces
bush is in office another 4 years...its gunna be a good one.
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I just read that pat tilman was awarded the silver star he got it for going back into the ambush zone and rescuing the othe group of rangers that were
pinned down by the ambush . It seems that he ordered his squad to return and flank the ambushers to help the other group out of the ambush thus saving
a lot of lives at the expense of his own.Pat lived up to the ranger creed of no ranger left behind.
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