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RangerCompany
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Bush is awesome
Bush did what Clinton was too wimpy to do. He actually struct Al Qaeda, when Clinton passed up 3 opportunities to kill Osama... He removed Saddam who
was asking for it for over 10 years, and Bill did not even bother. You all should be proud to have him as President!
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Blitz
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Ok, let me educate you. The reason why Clinton didn't go "guns a blazing" over there is because if he did, the United States would be breaking
several international treaties, and the United Nations would have kicked us out of several of the committees we were on at the time.
Now that Bush has invaded Iraq and all them places. We have now broken those treaties and we are no longer on several very important committees in
the United Nations!
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madhatter
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Now im not saying The un is useless, its a great thing for smaller countrys getting attacked by evil, but bush did what he thought was right and im
pretty sure the USA will ALWAYS put its people infront of some commities. That stuff doesnt matter in the end, what matters is theres a safer place
for us to live in, osama bin laden has been reduced from living a good life style to one of running in constant fear the same with Saddam. These
people broke more laws then anyone, so why should we let them continue?
The us soldiers arnt taking 10-15 yr old virgins out of school so they could have there fun with them, and thats what alot of people in the regime
did. :P so if we are in a few less commities in the UN, then good we shouldnt be in an organazation that lets that happen.
-edit-and lots of people say the us shouldnt be the worlds police, well whos going to? the un applied sancations against iraq to stop what they did,
but those probably made it even worse for the people living there because then they had a dictator who kills them for no reason whatsoever, and less
money/jobs/food...
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Mirage
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Bush hasn't 'removed' Al Quaida at all. They killed some people in Afghanistan, who probably had nothing to do with Al Quaida, and captured a bunch
of people who they still (after over a year) haven't brought charges against, which is a total breach of their human rights.
If you are referring to the war in Afghanistan as 'removing Al Quaida' this was far from it. Not all of Al Quaida were in Afghanistan at the time.
They didn't know where Al Quaida were in Afghanistan, so they targeted the Taliban, who they claimed helped Al Quaida in some way. They may have
tolerated Al Quaida's presence, but the Taliban were not linked to the 9-11 attacks. They were however a brutal and ruthless group.
But the USA fought the war in the most 'honourable' way didn't they. Making someone else (the Northern Alliance - an equally brutal and ruthless
group as the Taliban) to fight their war, while they hide 30,000ft up in their planes and drop bombs on weddings.
Afghanistan is exactly the same as it was before the war. Human rights are still abused, the majority of land is controlled by armed gangs, the
'government' has no control of anything outside Kabul, and still Osama Bin Laden, or any other big figures in Al Quaida have been caught.
And the sad thing is that 10,000 Afghanistan people had to die for this 'cause', over 3,000 of these people had no links to the Taliban or any other
'terrorist' groups. The way to react to the killing of 2,500 American innocent civillians is not to go and kill another 3,000 innocent civillians.
Just because it's in another country thousands of miles away, it does not make it any more right.
I would also have similar things to say about the futility of the war in Iraq. I don't see how people didn't see through the US and British
government on this one. They were intent on attacking Iraq from day one. First they say that there's terrorists in Iraq, and when that was disproved
they said that there were weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq, and when that was disproved they said they had to 'liberate' the people of Iraq.
The fact that Iraq is a dictatorship is an irresponsible reason to go to war with them. I believe in democracy as much as anyone, but there are
dozens of dictatorships in the world, and they won't go and invade all of them, unless they want to attack half of Africa and the middle east.
There are much worse regimes in Africa, where the genocide of countless numbers of people occurs, but America doesn't care, because there would be no
economic gain for them.
You call this 'liberating' the Iraqi people? Most of them don't want you in their country (some so much so that they are prepared to kill your
soldiers for it). You still haven't found Saddam, or any WMDs - and I don't think you ever will. You wanted to get rid of the dictatorship there and
give the Iraqis their country back. All you've done is replaced Saddam's dictatorship with your own dictatorship. It's been 4 months and you haven't
even started discussions about creating an Iraqi government.
I think now, the US has realised it's got itself into a situation that it can't handle, and it will be stuck with for many years now. In my opinion
this will go on for a lot longer, and will end up as a worse blunder than Vietnam.
All Bush has done is break treaties, kill thousands, and isolate America from the rest of the world. Oh yea, he also %$^"ed up your economy! Good
man!
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madhatter
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How do you get these numbers, i swear you must be in afghanastin counting bodys, lol i think the taliban mighta helped al quaida since well everyone
knows there linked, you seem intent on hating anything american and what we do, lol you complain that not all of al quaida was in afghanastin, so what
do u want us to do attack europe because theres TONS in there, we attacked the country which had the most we could kill with the fewest negative side
effects, you must live in a country were the military is perfect and accidents dont happen, but we dont live in a walgreen type world. If 3000 people
in whatever country your from died in one day because someone doesnt like you, wouldnt u fight back? And isnt there another post that tells where we
have our soldiers in africa, we cant have them everywere but we have them in dozens of countrys.
Ah i know what it is, you work for the arab nations news company dont you? al jezeirh i think its called.
PS how is attacking iraq an economic gain, we are spending 1billion $ a week thats a lose to me
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Mirage
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Exactly my point. The USA felt resentment after 9-11, and rightly so. But Bush felt they needed to do something to 'retaliate', and show the world
and the Americans how 'great' your country still is. Because there was no obvious target, the US decided to attack the easiest nation (Afghanistan)
that they could find a link to the attacks with. Most of the people involved in the 9-11 attacks were Saudi Arabian, but of course America wouldn't
attack them, because they have economic ties with Saudi Arabia. Plus the fact that Saudi Arabia actually has a national defence program, unlike
Afghanistan did.
And the reason the US is spending so much money in Iraq, is the fact that the war (more specifically, the aftermath) didn't go entirely to plan. For
some reason they didn't expect this to happen. They thought they could just go in and take over the country without any troubles.
The economic interest lies mainly in the large oil reserves in Iraq. Before the war, Iraq wouldn't sell any oil to the USA, but sold it to other
countries at a lower price than oil from the USA. The USA has a very large oil industry, and with the economic crisis that Bush has created, his
administration thought that it would be a quick-fix to take over oil reserves in Iraq. By doing this he was hoping to put a stop to Iraq undercutting
it in oil prices. Now that America has taken over the Iraqi oil, it can now control it's prices in order to keep its domestic oil industry
competitive. Also, as all the oil was owned by Saddam Hussain, the US can now allow Iraq's oil to be taken over by US corporations.
Undoubtedly, the US will set up industry in Iraq. There has already been hundereds of construction contracts in Iraq gone to American firms. We just
have to ask when the next Nike factory will open in Iraq.
There is also the matter with the World Bank. This is a more complicated issue, but in brief, the more wealthy a nation is in relation to other
nations, the more seats (and therefore power) it will get in the world bank. Giving the country greater control over world economic affairs. America
isn't too keen on nations becoming richer and taking over its seats at the world bank - thus giving America less power. Iraq was one of these
nations, and therefore America saw it to be a legitimate target for attack.
The US government is basically run by the industries that back it, so most of the decisions made are to attempt give the US economic gain.
And I know a lot of facts about this becauseI work for the Home Office in the UK - So I probably know a lot more about this than you do.
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Commando*Bo$*
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RangerCompany
. He actually struct Al Qaeda, when Clinton passed up 3 opportunities to kill Osama... He removed Saddam who was asking for it for over 10 years, and
Bill did not even bother. |
u ever heard of special forces? while clinton was in office he mustve ordered
attacks on Al Queada and Taliban forces in Afganhistan. You just dont hear them on cnn or any other television brodcast stations cuase there secret.
Clinton my friend Rebuilt the marine corps by putting more man power and giving them what they wanted, while Bush SR. didnt even bother.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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ummmm. George W Bush JR ...
- Ran for congress and lost.
- bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after he sold all his stock
- changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
- Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American
history.
- became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with
the help of his fathers appointments to the Supreme Court??
- attacked and took over two countries
- spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the treasury
- shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
- set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
- the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
- the first year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history
- cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
(gotta pay for those bombs somewhere)
- appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
- signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
- presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
- presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. (Need that money for
bombs)
- cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
- set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest him (15 million people), shattering the record
for protest against ANY person in the history of mankind
- dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
- presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
- cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
- the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
- presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world
- the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United
Nations and the world community.
- the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
- the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
- rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
- withdrew from the World Court of Law.
- refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions
- the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack
(and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
- took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world
- with a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
- the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.
- In the 18 months following the 911 attacks has successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of
the United States.
- removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
- entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
- was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
- All records of his tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to his fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
- records of any SEC investigations into his insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
- All minutes of meetings for any public corporation heI served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
hmmmmm, sounds like a great guy.
Let's talk a bit about American history then ...
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5,000 Chileans murdered.
1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.
1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000
Panamanian civilian casualties
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".
September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.
Not to mention the Persian Gulf War mark 2 ... 343 confirmed coalition deaths in the war as of September 13, 2003, Tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers
and civilians killed ... and yet, still havn't managed to find Saddam or his deputy.
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Blitz
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You know, instead of copying that all down, you could have just posted the link lol.
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dang, BUSTED ... I was hoping you'd all think that I sourced all the information myself, oh well, i tried :D
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SilentTrigger
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Bush is an idiot, more then Clinton ever was 
And i think it was a bad dissision to "leave" UN, USA need the UN...
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syphon
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main fact is that Bush should never have been made president and from the outcome of these wars hes got himself into to me is proof why he should
never have got to be president, if he was indeed awesome then he wouldnt have had to cheat to get into government in the first place, hes not awesome,
hes a pathetic loser who does things to make his daddy proud and he wants to go down in history as a great man who sorted out terrorism, but he'll
only go down in history as a cheat, a rogue, and a war mongerer.
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Iceman
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Australia
You think the US president is Bad, Look at what we have. John Howard Short and bold and jumps when bush pulls his string
***lol**
Regards
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syphon
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same with tony blaire over here in england, "bush says jump", blair says, "yes sir, how high?"
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Blitz
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LOL, I never did quite understand why Tony Blaire is doing the things he has been doing since 9/11. And as for Australia, I didn't even know you guys
were in the war lol. But I have been out of the loop for a while now, not having Tv and all.
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Death []r9[]
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Bush needs to get assinated...end of story.
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madhatter
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Death []r9[]
Bush needs to get assinated...end of story. |
....no thats just wrong, seek help
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Commando*Bo$*
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i wouldnt assinate him, thats just as mad put it wrong or Conspiracy to kill or overthrow the government, wouldnt it be better to just not vote for
him or watch him get kicked out of office instead of assasnate him?
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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payper_boy
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I hate this country....hell, i hate it with a passion...all the BS and crap we've done, thinking we are the best country in the world just because i
can say that bush is an ignorant fool, just like all the other presidents. This country is like every other one out there, just we bent the rules a
bit. Take this for an example: We are the land of life, liberty, and property. Freedom. If that was true, whats with the police anyway? Now, i know we
do need some kind of protection for the innocent people, but not so bad as that people (bounty hunters) dont even need to be police or CIA or whatever
and can storm a house with a 10 gauge shotgun for no reason at all, leaving whoever shaken and frigtened. I'm not anti-american, i just dont like this
country because it thinks its better than others.
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{TA}Gen.Anthony
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thats good u hate america, almost everyone that posted here does, do u all feel proud now?
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Havoc
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eh if you don't like it so much, why don't you leave then?
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Mirage
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I left, and I'm never going back (except maybe to visit my sister)... But I'd never live there again.
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I say all the bush's SUCK!!! i hate all of those ass's. including George Bush and George W. Bush. i was against George W. Bush since he ran for
president. If hge runs again he will not win. He is just a freakin [Censored]. And Clinton could kick the [Censored]
out of George W. Bush. Thats all i have to say, and Bush will not run again next year, if he does, and he wins, you will see my name on all major news
shows. I could not hate Bush more right now. George Bush a.k.a Jackass
George W. Bush a.k.a ASS
end of story.
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madhatter
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And you wonder how some people are mods, no need for this thread to be a flame war kids, expecially since the person your flaming isnt evening readin
this
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Commando*Bo$*
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| Quote: | Originally posted by {TA}Gen.Anthony
thats good u hate america, almost everyone that posted here does, do u all feel proud now? |
i dont hate america infact its like a second hom though Canada is my 1st. u go down to states like Penn, Massutchets (sp) Baltimore Washington, then
the ppl around there are quite nice i mean the love america yes but that doesnt seem to bother them about Canadians coming down there, they once gave
me a free game dont know why they just did, i ask them some stuff about compueters and they would answer me back "Sure i'll help you, what's your
COmputer OS,Specs"? so America is not all bad there are the occasional bad ppl who dont give S***** about what ur talking about.
"Maybe I was brave, I don't know. At the time I was just doing the job, I didn't have time for other thoughts."
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