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HumanTarget
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I can see it tooo. so certainly not those eagle eye's not working or anything :P hehe. sorry couldn't resist
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Eagle_Eye
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Now you change your post above this to OK....is this an admission or am I just talking to myself..
Thanks Human, at least someone else saw this before he changed the post...luv the Pun mate..
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KNARF-RGR
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I just tested it out, You DO NOThave to have 2 people to get it to work. First, get in the helo and "use" the right side minigun.
aim it down and to the right (toward landing gear). Next, exit helo and then jump onto the landing gear...this is the same as being inside the helo
or on the nose (it will take off and fly the normal patern). After the helo takes off, jump from the landing gear onto the minigun and the helo
changes course and flys directly over the top of the Hotel (zone)...you can then easily jump onto the top of the building. I don't see it as
glitching, but rather as creative technique.
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Eagle_Eye
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LMAO Knarf...great description...I like that..
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EE
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camouflage_Tr
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If you were intended to get ontop fo the roof in house of pain, then they would of kept the cartwheel in the game so you could just go through the
wall. The point being, your not supposed to be on the roof. Creative yes, but very creative glitch in the game. The underlying factor still remains.
You are manipulating the chopper to fly in a direction it only takes when noone is in the chopper. So there for, a glitch.
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Sharptooth~RGR
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I respectfully disagree with you Camo. They took the cartwheel out of the game because that was a glitch!
If they wanted you to stay off of the bldgs, they would have taken the chopper out!
Again not to repeat myself but here goes.... Leave it up to each individual server and match co as they will ultimately make the final decision
anyway.
I'm so curious about what the map maker had in mind I'm gonna see what I can find out.
Oh and EE, you go boy!
Pucker Up Buttercup!
Suck it up Buttercup!
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IceQueen~RGR
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The cartwheel THROUGH A WALL to get on a roof is definitely a glitch.. getting on the roof by dropping from a helo, well that has been standard
practice since the first demo.
I agree that match CO's need to discuss this prior to the match.
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camouflage_Tr
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LMAO, this is getting funny. I also respectfully disagree. I wont reiterate what I have already stated. I already sound like a broken record. 
I will state this though. Choppers were made to get IN not ON. Thats whay you get killed by spinning blades. Play the game the way it is meant to be
played.
With that said,I also agree that the match coordinaters will need to discuss glitches/fairplay before match time. No hard feelings RGR. Its been a
great Debate. Feel free to reply, but this is my last post on this topic. I know when to say when. See ya around Queen and Sharp.
Respectfully,
Camo~tr~
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Þoncho
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It is a well known glitch - again, it's nothing more than a well known glitch!!! What's wrong with using a well known glitch? It's not like loading a
trainer or a cheat when you play a well known glitch - everybody does it. What's the big deal?
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if you read what a glitch is by definitioin...you'll realize that yes...you are cheating...heck, youve admitted it so, end of story........
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Sharptooth~RGR
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Sabre what are you talking about? When did I ever admit to cheating? This was a debate of points of view that is all. I don't even play
TKOTH...lmao
Pucker Up Buttercup!
Suck it up Buttercup!
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Þoncho
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actually....lol
i never accused you....the person who wrote the post i quoted....i scrolled up to make sure it wasnt you...either im as blind as a bat....i think the
post is now missing...........................................
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Eagle_Eye
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If this keeps up, I'm going to close this post as well....LMAO...
Get a grip People, it's a BL%$&Y Game...when you can write flawless code for such a complex game...give me a call...until then, play it the way it
is...who cares if it's a glitch...It's like a marriage..for best or worst..play the game for what it is..a game, if you know it's a glitch, cool,
grenade the top of the buildings...work around it...if you don't, then sell the game and go play something else...I for one are sick of people canning
the Game...Yes, it's flawed...use your eyes when you play...what if I made a map exactly the same as the one in question, removed the helo, and put a
ladder to the top of the same building in question....bet your butt you still get shot...even though you know the ladder is there..
Regards
EE
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Bongo
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I fully agree w/ eagle_eye, although I disagree w/ people that are always looking for an easy way to win by using means that were not intended. Anyone
ever heard of fairplay?
If you think you may be using what might be considered glitch then stop, its that simple.
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Covert1^SOH^
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Þoncho
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my right to beat a dead horse...lol
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Get a grip People, it's a BL%$&Y Game.....who cares if its a glitch
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what are you suggesting....that I accept it when someone does glitch/cheat to gain an advantage over me in a server???
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Eagle_Eye
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What's the advantage...you all know it's there...
Your never gonna stop people using it..complaining here isn't gonna reach all the Nova players.....there's nothing that can be done...unless you've
taken the time to write a detailed post at Novaworld...or sent a detailed bug report to Novalogic...then, the issue may be addressed in the next
update...
Why not write that detailed report...at Novaworld...then post a link here, we can all post comments there as well..or write that email to
Novalogic..post a copy here, we can all copy and paste it into an email, and send in the same email...
Regards
EE
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Bad Pup
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The chopper will do what its suppose to do, if your on it when it does, whats the big deal, Its no different then jumping off a chopper when its
programmed to transport.
Oh by the way, defence choppers can be manipulated to fly a path you want it to. I wont say how but it's possible.'
If you dont like the issue dont use the maps with choppers in it. How hard could it be?
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Þoncho
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If you dont like the issue dont use the maps with choppers in it. How hard could it be?
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well if you read the first post...you will see that it was a question regarding whether it was a glitch or not...somewhere along the threads, some if
not most of us strayed away from the point/question itself......(me included)
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obviously some peps are missing the point. It is not jumpin g from a chopper to a roof It is using two players on a chopper then one suiciding
himself while the other player is on the external of the chopper making the game think the chopper is empty when in fact a player is in it. (this is
a glitch) Also you can in reel life jump from a high elevation to a window ledge in life you can also climb a broken wall for a better view. If the
chopper went over zone normally then fine. But the clitchers are taking advantaGE OF A GAME FLAW TO GAIN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. USMERCS will not allow
this in our server. so obviously all squads will need to make a command descision on this matter. Hopefully they will also choose the honorable path
and not exploit these major faults with nova products
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Eagle_Eye
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We are not missing the point...we just like to play the game.. As Is. Name me a game that is not flawed..geez..we don't care... we just want to have
fun...it's a game... tell me your server name...and I'll make sure I avoid it...cos chances are...I won't have fun...cos your all gonna be waiting for
the cheats..so you can blame someone for your loss....
Yes, you can tell, I'm sick of all the posts about glitch's, cheats, this team cheats..here's his IP.. etc...why can't people just play the game and
have fun..make maps..have Lan night's..chat on ICQ...make friends from the other side of the globe...it's not the cheaters and glitches that Pee me
off, it's the constant complaints about them...ignore them...all your doing is making it worse...just giving them a reason to live...don't bite...and
they will go away..
There. I've said my bit...Now I'm staying out of this thread...
Regards
EE
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GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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Hey eagle eye our squad dosen't like cheaters or murderers so we ban them we like to have fun in a clean game. we are made up of people all over the
world.check out our site http://www.rsuarmy.cjb.net and u will see where we are from.
GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
JO/E, IC, DFX COOPSQUAD
RSU RAGE AGAINST CHEATERS
BONA FIDE SINE FRAUDE
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DeadBolt
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Eagle_Eye, While I agree with you for the vast majority of what you said there really are two different contexts that this discussion covers (and any
discussion regarding glitching).
Just in it for the fun:
If you are just playing for the fun of it then definitely do as you please. If you don't like the server find another. So, for the most part whether
it is a glitch or not doesn't matter so long as you remember 'house rules' in the server.
Squad/league/fair-play:
Whether it is generally accepted as a glitch is important at least to the people that play in a competitive format. Establishing guidelines is
important to help avoid instances where a squad loses a match and feels it was directly related to a player taking advantage of a known game glitch.
So, for you and me, it really doesn't make a difference, when we play it is for a bit of fun. But it is fair for us to remember that others may be a
bit more competitive and are seeking a level playing field.
With regard to this particular issue I imagine if you saw the map/script it has something along the lines of [if empty() return_to_first_waypoint].
Perhaps the choppers need to be covered in some crisco .
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Eagle_Eye
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If it was anyone else but you Deadbolt...I wouldn't reply..lol..cos I said my bit...
I agreed..but I still think people take it way to seriously..I know you've spent a great deal of time on the problem, and I know why..I'm not blind to
what goes on...but the fact still exists..there's a group people who are always going to stuff it up for everyone else...
Squads can organise passworded servers for match play and league stuff...no probs..but the bloke who wants a random game risks getting thrown out of a
server for just being there..cos the server is paranoid that the unknown player is a cheater...it's gotten so bad that I only play on Aussie servers
that know me.
Here's a typical response. Read this post from Bongo..
http://www.dfbarracks.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=6551
To take things down a notch...this is my opinion only...not meant to start a war of words.... If you don't agree...cool, I accept that, I know there
are serious teams..but they are just going to have to Password their server, and have arranged games...as for the open servers...they take the risk of
having cheaters come in..they just have to accept the fact that it will happen...using a glitch or whatever is a fact of life..
Anyway..you know how I feel about the situation...I know how you feel...
Kind Regards
EE
It's a pity that your cheatblocker is not a required install for Nova servers..
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DeadBolt
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LOL, I agree EE, I just wanted to say it is healthy for the players to be arguing over whether it is a glitch or not. I don't agree with people taking
the game this seriously but I do understand the reasoning especially with regard to match play. It is a buyer beware environment if there ever was
one.
Didn't mean to drag you back in . We can both stay clear of it.
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GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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Just remember peeps this is a known glitch just watch out for it and take steps to counteract this, ie shoot the person riding the chopper or lob
grenades onto the roof top. And remember this is just a game don't take it too seriously.lol:P
GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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