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Reynolds [TNT]
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is this a glitch or not?
In the map House of Pain. Someone can get in the chopper while another crawls out on the mini gun. The player that is inside the the blackhawk
triggers the chopper to take off then dies. The chopper thinks that there is no one inside the chopper but in reality there is someone standing on the
mini gun. Since the chopper believes no one is on there, it returns back to base flying directly over the zone enabling the player that is on min gun
to jump onto the roof of the zone. As many of you know the roof is inaccesible except jumping off this helo.
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Gunny[TNT]
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LOL If thats not Gliching what would be
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HumanTarget
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it might be a glitch... but i'd like to see someone replicate it much lol. don't think it would be an easy glitch to use, so doubt that anyones likely
to be too worried about it.
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Military_wife[TNT]
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Well actually thats not true, it was used against us during a scrimmage and we were informed it has been used before by others.
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ragelx
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Yes it is a glitch, since the roof is inaccesible any other way, I've seen this done before in a TKOTH server where no one had any idea as to where
the last opposing zoner was
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Reynolds [TNT]
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actually a couple teams have perfected it and uses it regularly in matchs and scrimages. We discovered it and they dont think it is a glitch, thats
why i wanted your guys view.
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^I^Poofman
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Ya, SOH used it against us in a match, and I didn't talk to them for like a week. They said, "so and so did it to us", so I guess in their minds it
made it right. Anyway, I personally think it's a glitch, and won't play a squad that uses it.
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COp abd
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If you ain't sposed to be on the roof, then ya ain't sposed to be on the roof!
By using this tactic you have fooled the chopper into flying over the zone when it wouldn't otherwise.
Glitch.
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warpain
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Hell yes this is a glitch!
This is no different than loading the chopper with satchels & blowing over the zone...
Or before the last upadate, rolling into the wall to get to the roof, or even going prone behind the file cabinet to fall threw the wall.
I've found every glitch there is on every map, and I inform everyone I know of the glitch, especially my own teammates.
They know as well as I do, if you are caught using them, you're banned from our server, squad, and any squad I show a SS to.
Use of glitches, i.e. CHEATING! Is childish, disrespectful, and down right ignorant!
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Fluffy_NoSkill
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Hmm glitch a?
I say more like cheat is ya ask me!!
If you cant go in through the front, up the back or clear the sides then the only way is to cheat!!
Come to think of it, standing on the minigun of a blackhawk and jumping onto the zone roof should be reported to the anti cheat thingy and stamped
out!! :o
Any team found doing this against NoSkill will (more than likely) be on there own in seconds.
consider my 10p spent.
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peebs
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I'm in the midddle on this one, if it is a glitch then you can just fly in the choppper over the zone and kill the guy on the building.. lol.. But I
would say glitch....
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This glitch is on the verge of cheating expecially when two team members work in unison to make the chopper fly over the zone while you trick the
chopper into thinking its empty. I can tell you now if we see anyone trying this in our server or in match or scrimmage we will punt those two
players each time they attempt it. So that it is no longer worth it. a glitch is by definition anything generated in the game that shouldnt be that
gives a player an unfair advantage. By one player suiciding with another riding outside the chopper making the game think its empty definately fits
the description. same with the ladder glitch in witch if you are attached to the ladder near water level you can fire you wepon under water ,,MINIME
tried to tell us this was acceptable.
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Lawdog*us3
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I've rarely played bhd but my thoughts are it isn't cheating. I guess it technically is a glitch but if it something everyone is able to do then that
makes the playing field fair and therefor doesn't create and unfair advantage to anyone which then makes it not a glitch cause it is something that
everyone can equally do and be aware of.
Sounds like somebody just got outsmarted and is upset.
but like i said i havn't played much BHD and so there for i probably should keep my mouth shut on this one.
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psychoson
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my question is , can you climb out on the minigun at anytime or only in this instance ? if anytime , then i don,t believe it is a glitch , but if it
can only be accomplished by tricking the chopper then i would say glitch , as for loading a chopper with satchels and blowing it over the zone like
someone previously mentioned , sorry bro thats just smart thinking as far as i,m concerned and i,m sorry i didn,t think of it first
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Reynolds [TNT]
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The only way the chopper goes over the zone is when it is returning to base because you have tricked it into thinkning no one is on there. I dont know
about the satchel thing i think that is kind of a toss up on whether or not it is a glitch, it isnt manipulating any part of the game so i guess it
wouldnt be. As for what law said yes anyone can do it but since you are manipulating the game most people wont.
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Reynolds [TNT]
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actually we didnt lose smart one lol
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This is our reply: http://www.teamsoh.com/HOP.htm
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Military_wife[TNT]
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My question would not be if its right or wrong to stand on the mini gun, But is it right to fly on the chopper on a path that was only made for it to
return to base when it had no passangers. You have to remember the chopper only takes that path once it believes the chooper is empty. It would not
normally fly that path if it recognized that there was a player inside. So you have to ask is it right to take advantage of this? Just because you
can do something doesn't make it right. There was a reson Nova made it where the blades of the chopper kill you, because you are not supposed to be on
the outside of the chopper.
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HumanTarget
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The big deal Intense is that it's generally accepted that ppl do not use any glitch. Esp if they know it is a glitch. because it has been deemed a
form of cheating.
There used to be a glitch where u could be half way up one of the walls on one of the stock maps. how'd u like to be shot from where someone isn't
supposed to be able to get to? Can't say i'd like it much.
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GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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If its a glitch and u normally wouldn't be able to ride on top of a minigun in a real blackhawk the its a form of cheating and should'nt be done.
GHOSTRIDER~RSU~
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HumanTarget
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having gone and read SOH's open letter ( i thank them for their straight forwardness in this matter) I wouldn't be too hasty to call it a glitch.
Although the map maker didn't design it as a way to gain access to the roof, the map maker also didn't not make it as a way to gain access to the
roof.
I think no matter what ideas ppl have from this thread, there will always be disagreements as to wether this is a glitch or not. And I would instead
suggest that squads when organising scrimage matches discuss between themselves if the squads consider it a acceptable way to play or not. after all
the results remain with those squads.
ps. Intense.. Please watch your mouth... u may find that Military Wife is a better play than you. lol. I wouldn't know either way. but females can
play these games just as good as the blokes. So watch it.
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Rotten_Sal
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well well well
well seems human reached a final ending to this topic thats cool yea it could be a glich but also the squads that use it are just as glicthing is
cheaters. so haveing said that dont play the map in matches or scrimages/tournies. JUST DONT PLAY THE MAP!!
For all you who this is your first time in action - Welcome to the Big Times. For all of you who have seen it before, you aint seen NOTHIN yet!!
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*4*Leadpoison
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hey if this is a glitch wouldnt running up a broken wall be a glitch ive seen plenty to that to get a sniper position,or altering your fall by moving
sideways during the fall to get in a window u cant to that in real life either,speaking of real life for all u gunners with the m60s runnining and
shooting from the hip that isnt real life either thats(RAMBO) my point being alot of things about this game arent real but still in my opinion arent
cheating ,hiding in a glitch where no 1 can see u is a cheat looking thrugh walls is cheating ridnging a heli in an unusual manner is not a cheat.
p.s. soh r a great bunch of guys
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IceQueen~RGR
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Sorry, but I don't see how this is a glitch or cheating. Jumping from helos to roofs has always been acceptable. If the helo returns to a landing
area after the inside has been cleared and takes another path, then that is what it does. If the area is accessible to any who use this technique,
and the people on the roof can be killed. It is not a glitch... all aspects were legitimately accomplished without walking through walls or dropping
through floors. Could you realistically stand on a mini gun.. well if you have great balance I am sure someone could. Are you in the helo? No, you
are not, you are in essence "hanging from the outside". Is this realistic? Yes it is. Can you generally crawl through chopper blades to stand or lay
on the top? No Way! That is why that was corrected.
It is a tactical advantage that you should learn to defend against. Not a cheat or a glitch.
I hate getting out smarted, I have even suspected others of cheating because of it. To my embarrassment, once I asked and was shown the tactic... I
apologized for it. This is about egos, not glitching...
In my humble opinion...
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perigrine falcon
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a few questions:
can every one do it? is it realistic? does it involve some sort of cheat/trainer?
personally i think there are different degrees of cheat/clitching for instance would hiding in walls killling people be consider more or less of a
cheat than riding on a choppers minigun?
another clitch i discovered during the demo was you can enter the chopper from the side without the door by getting close the the minigun and using
the attach button
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