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craigdavies2003 - 12-31-2006 at 05:49 AM

by the looks of thing sum1 got angry nd closed the forums. i understand that people have been very ungratful and offensive in some cases. but that forums was comprise dof the hard work of others. not just whoever closed it.

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 07:46 AM

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This board is closed. due to a lame community that i have helped over 8 years time and got nothing in return but headaches and harasment. this board is down... for all those that said f*** you to me that i have helped here you go i hope your happy.... i am done good day and good ridance..

The owners of any site have got the right to close it down whenever they feel like it. The huge amount of hours of hard work provided by its members should not be counted upon being of any concern to the owners.

The owners also have the option to make their site read-only for a certain period of time before closing it for good, but this option was neglected in this case, obviously due to some sort of need for punishing all of the members there. Almost 3 years of modding documents gone in less amount of time than it takes to spell 3di.

Moral: If you don't own the site, don't put any huge effort into contributing to it. You'll only regret it the day the owner goes ballistic or is not personally interested anymore, or both. At least try to pick sites where you'd suspect that the owner feels a minimum amount of responsibility for preserving historical records produced by the community.

For the record, who owns DFB and DFA...? I thought they also were TerraNova related and had some of the same owners...? Any danger of these forums getting closed as well...?

SAS private LoL - 12-31-2006 at 07:54 AM

Well, as long as AB is willing to pay for the site.....

At the end, DFB has been sold once, if AB gets tired of it, he can sold it too....but, who knows what then....
I like the ABs tyrany...lol

Eagle_Eye - 12-31-2006 at 12:28 PM

Well, Q, I'm a bit peeved as well..

As far as I know, Major Headache owns the following domains names..

dfbarracks.com
dfarena.com
dfworld.com
terranova-exp.com

The mod depot was a forum setup in a subdomain..

mods.terranova-exp.com

Although AB has owership of this site, he still doesn't own the actual domain name, which is a pity..

(Correct this is you want AB, or remove this if you want)

Seems all the posts at the mod depot have actually been deleted, not just turned off..

Seems we have all been wasting our time, I do have some of those pages saved however, I just need to locate them..

I hope whoever did this has kept a backup, cos it seems ashame to loose so much info..

I also keep a lot of pages from DFB saved as well, just in case...!!

EE

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 12:33 PM

Yup, it's a shame, and I can't understand the people who would accept such behavior and simply keep on posting at the MOD Depot, just as if nothing has happened... LoA has deleted our modding history, for Gods sake, and he doesn't seem like caring at all, but wishes everybody a happy new year, lol... And he hs kept the 2000+ member base, as if all of those are interested in modding CoD2, lol...

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 12:52 PM

Its not closed they switched to COD2 and he backed the forums to a HD

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 12:58 PM

Ok, so we're supposed to beg him nicely to search his HD every time we want to look up something from the old forums...?

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 12:59 PM

I know that a lot of time, work and investment had been made into that site, one that I also enjoyed and made friends from.

I have also been reading a lot lately about a bunch of things going on between groups of people and individuals.

While it is sad to see such a site with all of the above disappear into the fog of anger, it is understandable if you understand what was going on prior to it happening.

I do not even know the full story, and I won't attempt to tell you either, because then things might get blown out of proportion and then things will only get worse.

So, I will leave it with this... How many times can someone be shat on, work stolen, had helped many of modders, given out work for free and much more without even a solitary thank you, then have people you've helped stab you in the back?

I am also very saddened by the events and the closing of the site, now moved to COD, because now I really don't have a resource other than hitting people up that I know mod.

Today is a sad day, and no one particular person is to blame, but the entire community that has used that as a resource.

I do understand why everyone is angry about it, and you should be, but look not to the person who closed it, but to those that caused it's closing.

Sincerely,

ToW-Angel, aka SwtDivaLove
Co-Leader, Titans of War

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:04 PM

So, the actions of a few people should make 2000+ members accept such behavior of the site owner...? Not likely... Btw - here's a quote from your "regretting and saddening"" post from the new MOD Depot forums...:

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Ah... time for a lady to grace the forums...

Definitely a clean house! Nice... nice... not bad... *grabs the white glove* You didn't miss a thing!

I know and understand why it is this way and I support LOA in his decision 100%.

The absolute best of luck to this site.

If I ever get COD, I know where to come, because it will have the most experienced modders I know of.

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 01:08 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I posted... It was lighthearted, and I wished the site the best of luck.

Those that I've talked to know that I am saddened by the events, and those are the most important people to know how I feel.

So, go ahead and try and make a fool out of me as you wish, but remember, you do not know everything either.

**EDIT** Q-dad~TAG, you are exhibiting the exact behaviour that closed the site to begin with. So, you only have yourself to look at as part of the cause.

In other words... you could've stood up for LOA and all the crap, but you turned you back on him.

An old American saying... It only takes 1 rotten apple to ruin them all.

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:15 PM

Ok, I'm sry about bringing your post forward as an example in this mess... What I'm trying to get across to you & others, is that by posting innocently in his new CoD2 forums now, without a single hint of regret or critique towards him about what he's done, you're making it seem OK that he has just wiped out our complete common NOVA modding history from 3 years back... How sympathetic is that...? I don't give a dang about telling it straight out what I think of him... How come most others are so gullable...?

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 01:20 PM

I talk to him almost everyday... He knows my regret, and he's the only one that needs to know how I feel.

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Q-dad~TAG
Ok, so we're supposed to beg him nicely to search his HD every time we want to look up something from the old forums...?

No.... Go ask him politely for it then start a NEW forum with all that. He should want to do this... Why would he care if you start a new site with all that preisious INFO ? I would do it myself for info and to help others, but i dont know him very good so....

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
I talk to him almost everyday... He knows my regret, and he's the only one that needs to know how I feel.

Well, then maybe you can understand that 2000+ members cannot talk to him every day, and that some of us, rightfully, will turn to the forums to state our opinions... You're of course free to not do that...

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by bloodhawk1No.... Go ask him politely for it then start a NEW forum with all that. He should want to do this... Why would he care if you start a new site with all that preisious INFO ? I would do it myself for info and to help others, but i dont know him very good so....

I have no intention what-so-ever of asking him anything politely at this stage, sry.

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 01:25 PM

Out of those 2000+ members, how many stood up for him against all of the crap?

Uh... I can name 2 out of 2000+.

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 01:32 PM

swidiva(you said u were upset) Qdad ee me thats 4 so far

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
Out of those 2000+ members, how many stood up for him against all of the crap?

Uh... I can name 2 out of 2000+.

How would I know...? Most of the crap can't have been visible in the forums, since I've read every single post in there since the site started... so if you know all of the crap which has been going on, you must have gotten it from PMs or by other means. I didn't see any posts by you either supporting him against any crap, so I don't know what you're getting at...

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 01:35 PM

One lighthearted post is nowhere near enough to judge the full situation nor give enough feedback to assume what it is that I was thinking at the time of my post.

You should know by now that I am upset how LOA is being treated, the causes of the site being shutdown, and that I am saddened to see so much gone.

Yes, I am upset.

**EDIT** Because I talk to people, that's how I know. Talk to someone long enough, you get a fuller picture of everything that's going on and what they are going through.

If you want to be angry at someone, how about looking to those people that caused the site to close intead of the person who closed it.

You steal enough items from the store over a period of time, that business loses money, so much money that it has to close the doors.

Same applies to what happened today.

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 01:38 PM

How bout we wait and see what happen with Eagle Eye.. He said he was going to try to get the backup.... Hes the only one likely enough to get it, so if he does were gonna get a brand new better site.

Carrion Wall - 12-31-2006 at 01:41 PM

i understand the loss of alot of work is an aggrivating experiance... but is it really worth all the fustration of arguing about somthing that cannot be solved in this forums?

i suggest that whoever is interested in getting back that info try and set somthing up with the owner of that forums to get the info needed...

its very simple... and it seems to me that its being complicated way out of proportion... remember you did that work on your time and wearnt getting paid... the maps that i've made wearnt made so i could get a pat on the back or a congrats (they are nice but i dont expect them)... i made them so that i could play those maps... just like i've seen from some of the mods out... the makers of the mods made them because they wanted to play with them... dont expect everyone to give you congrats on making somthing good... and dont expect no-one to steal your work, because theres plenty of people out there that are so deprived of natural contact that they will seek out any attention they can and if they've got to step on a few toes to get it they will...

i however would like to thank anyone and everyone who's every made a mod or anything having to do with nova games (beside cheats)... they've done nothing less than give a better experiance when playing (for the most part) and made different aspects of working inside the game files better and easyer... so thankyou for all your hard work and please dont forget that its you that desides to do that work... no-one makes you do it...

Q-dad~TAG - 12-31-2006 at 01:45 PM

Yeah, I'm done... got nothing more to add. Sad story... sry for bringing it to your attention.

Eagle_Eye - 12-31-2006 at 01:47 PM

OK, I've just spent some time with LoA on ICQ..

I know I haven't been active at The Mod Depot, but I do know this..

LoA IS Terranova, without his driving force, Terranova just doesn't Exist..

He was condemned for releasing the Official Nova Jo Tools to the community, something that I patted him on the back for in another post at DFB..

If People can't accept the fact, that we all need the same tools, that we are all part of a great community, then I say Stuff them..

To all those who don't Support LoA at this time, I say Stuff You as well..

LoA has given his all for the community, he doesn't deserve the crap that he has been given..

I support the closure of The Mod Depot.

Don't dispare, all the forums are in a backup file.

So, to all modders who have ever used any tool form LoA, or taken any advise, and who don't support him at this time, you don't deserve to be a part of Terranova's Mod Depot Forums, or any modding community for that Matter..

What's wrong..you afraid someone will make a better mod now we all have these tools..get a life people..

btw, I'll be adding the tools to the download section here, and at DFReload..

EE

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 01:49 PM

I second, EE!

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 01:51 PM

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He was condemned for releasing the Official Nova Jo Tools to the community

Why would he be condemend?

Eagle_Eye - 12-31-2006 at 01:55 PM

Exactly, cos he found out another modding group had them from Nova, he searched them out, and gave them to us..

Some people didn't like that, it was the same when DV released his decrytion tools..

If we don't support our Key Modders like LoA and DV, we all loose..

EE

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 01:58 PM

Dont know why anyone would want that...... But i wouldnt have gotten anywhere hadnt it been for those tools. But ~DV~ i Think is THE GREATEST MODDER FOR BHD EVER. to make a mod with drivable vehicles is unheard of!. But that was 2 years ago

SAS private LoL - 12-31-2006 at 02:06 PM

And driveable mod had a lot of bugs and sysdumped....it was a try....

I, for one, support LoA for releasing the JO Mod Tools to public.

Ok, if the only modders, that had them, were the IC (my apologies, if mistaken) team, but they only use their mod for their tournaments, plus common people like it, since it has BHD stuff in.

So why are they or were scared of someone making a better mod?
Afraid of a little competition, huh?
They could always add more stuff in and release an IC 4, 5 so on....

Best thing to do right now is to assemble a group of modders from Mod Depot and make a JO mod, similar to IC mod, which would have new stuff in and buildings, (a lil bit o' coding for some stuff

)and we would have a nice lil mod, that could compete with IC or Reality....

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 02:13 PM

ILL JO? WHy not BHD lol. How did they get the tools from nova?

swtdivalove - 12-31-2006 at 02:14 PM

Already in the works.

I have just opened Nova Mods - Titans of War, and we are working on a theme based mod for South America.

http://nova-mods.titansofwar.us/forums/

bloodhawk1 - 12-31-2006 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by SAS private LoL
And driveable mod had a lot of bugs and sysdumped....it was a try....

Ok so you try to do better. lol

SAS private LoL - 12-31-2006 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by bloodhawk1

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Originally posted by SAS private LoL
And driveable mod had a lot of bugs and sysdumped....it was a try....

Ok so you try to do better. lol

JO already has driveable vehicles, the next "driveable" mod could be for a jet plane

..
Think about, hehe....the map size is big enough 64x64 km....

Assassin Xaero - 1-1-2007 at 02:11 AM

They've tried to put planes in JO... won't work right without making a whole new file for how they would fly (don't remember what its called) 'cause if they used the helicopter file it would fly tilted...

perfect example

SonicDeath - 1-1-2007 at 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I posted... It was lighthearted, and I wished the site the best of luck.

Those that I've talked to know that I am saddened by the events, and those are the most important people to know how I feel.

So, go ahead and try and make a fool out of me as you wish, but remember, you do not know everything either.

**EDIT** Q-dad~TAG, you are exhibiting the exact behaviour that closed the site to begin with. So, you only have yourself to look at as part of the cause.

In other words... you could've stood up for LOA and all the crap, but you turned you back on him.

An old American saying... It only takes 1 rotten apple to ruin them all.

Perfect example of who is to blame for this. Its ungrateful people like Q-dad~TAG that thinks they own the world and can say and do things with no repercusions. Wrong!

bloodhawk1 - 1-1-2007 at 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Assassin Xaero
They've tried to put planes in JO... won't work right without making a whole new file for how they would fly (don't remember what its called) 'cause if they used the helicopter file it would fly tilted...

WEll you couldnt of put drivable vehicles in BHD without a new file....... And look what DV did... SO theres your man.....+ I though BHD's maps were unlimited.... (Look at the maps made in the DRIVABLE VEHICLE MOD.

Q-dad~TAG - 1-1-2007 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
**EDIT** Q-dad~TAG, you are exhibiting the exact behaviour that closed the site to begin with. So, you only have yourself to look at as part of the cause.

In other words... you could've stood up for LOA and all the crap, but you turned you back on him.

An old American saying... It only takes 1 rotten apple to ruin them all.

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Originally posted by SonicDeath
Perfect example of who is to blame for this. Its ungrateful people like Q-dad~TAG that thinks they own the world and can say and do things with no repercusions. Wrong!

That's pretty rich, to try blaming the closing of the old MOD Depot forums on me...

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Originally posted by Eagle_Eye
LoA IS Terranova, without his driving force, Terranova just doesn't Exist..

He was condemned for releasing the Official Nova Jo Tools to the community, something that I patted him on the back for in another post at DFB..

If People can't accept the fact, that we all need the same tools, that we are all part of a great community, then I say Stuff them..

To all those who don't Support LoA at this time, I say Stuff You as well..

LoA has given his all for the community, he doesn't deserve the crap that he has been given..

I support the closure of The Mod Depot.

Don't dispare, all the forums are in a backup file.

So, to all modders who have ever used any tool form LoA, or taken any advise, and who don't support him at this time, you don't deserve to be a part of Terranova's Mod Depot Forums, or any modding community for that Matter..

What's wrong..you afraid someone will make a better mod now we all have these tools..get a life people..

btw, I'll be adding the tools to the download section here, and at DFReload..

Is this targeted towards me as well...? For the record, and please do go look inside the archive of the old MOD Depot forums and read all the posts from its last 48 hours or so, and you'll notice that not with one single word did I disapprove of LoA releasing the JO Modding Tools. I don't even mod JO.

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Originally posted by Eagle_Eye
Exactly, cos he found out another modding group had them from Nova, he searched them out, and gave them to us..

Some people didn't like that, it was the same when DV released his decrytion tools..

If we don't support our Key Modders like LoA and DV, we all loose..

Correct, and as far as I can remember from the now archived MOD Depot forums, only one - 1 - person disapproved of the release of the JO Modding Tools, and that was DV himself. He was flamed for his opinion by LoA and SonicDeath, and I simply spoke up for his rights to have and express an opinion. Just go read the archives. I also criticized SonicDeath for his behavior as a moderator, since it didn't seem to calm things down, i.e. quite the opposite, regarding the heated discussion between himself and swtdivalove/Skull about the two different Nova-Mods sites. They've since then become friends, it seems.

All of my posts in this topic or the similar one inside the new MOD Depot forums were posted AFTER the old MOD Depot forums were closed down, so they can't have had any influence at all on the decision to close down the site.

If my criticism AFTER the old MOD Depot forums were closed down seems harsch, it's NOT because I don't recognize all the good things LoA has done for the Nova modding community, but it's a natural reaction to being witness to 3 years of modding documentation being wiped out without letting the members get the chance of saving the content. If such a reaction is not expected or even tolerated, then I don't really know what more to say...

Now, if you've got the archive and will somehow make it available online in a read-only format later on, preferable with a working search feature, then I don't see anything wrong with the closing down of the old MOD Depot, and thus this whole issue would become history as far as I can see it.

swtdivalove - 1-1-2007 at 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
**EDIT** Q-dad~TAG, you are exhibiting the exact behaviour that closed the site to begin with. So, you only have yourself to look at as part of the cause.

You missed that word... I said that you are 'part' of the cause. I never said you 'were' the cause.

SAS private LoL - 1-1-2007 at 02:14 PM

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Well, introduce coders to Nova modding...or ask those cheaters in BHD, if they can help, since they hacked the game so much...

Q-dad~TAG - 1-1-2007 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by swtdivalove
You missed that word... I said that you are 'part' of the cause. I never said you 'were' the cause.

Ok, which part was that...? The part were I criticised the behaviour of the moderator towards you & Skull after you posted about your new modding site? Or the part were I defended DVs right to express an opinion about releasing the JO Modding Tools...? I was involved in nothing else before the site got closed, so it must have been one of those two.

swtdivalove - 1-2-2007 at 12:51 AM

I'll repeat myself...

I said that you exhibited the type of behavior that had gotten the site closed and that you were part of the cause because you turned your back on LOA.

chrislew200 - 1-2-2007 at 05:57 AM

Ok i have had enough of this now this is the way i see this post going:

1) I let the post carry on and watch community members rip each other apart by making accusations about each other. Over something which no one has control over in the first place to do anything about?

2) I close this post now and end it under the flaming rule and then close any further posts posted on the topic that violate the rules.

3) I leave post active on the forums in the hope that you will all end this crap now there?s nothing you can do about it so there?s no point in any of you arguing about it so please it ends now.

So I am going for option 3 anymore accusations or flaming on these forums about this topic and I close the topic and remove it from public view. Your all members of the same community and everyone?s input into the community is always appreciated at dfbarracks however flaming of other members is not appreciated especially when no good can come of it.

I hope i havent offended any by my post but that is way i see it. And to be honest with you Its a new year and i dont it starting off by me haveing to lock posts.

Chrislew200
Just A Concerned Member Of The Comunity

DANVb329 - 1-2-2007 at 12:15 PM

Yeah this post isn't really going anywhere. Whatever happened in the past dosn't matter. Why don't we just respect LOA and try to get our forums back, and if we don't get it back, we can always put up a new Mod depot and work off of that.

Christ, it's just a modding site for an online game. No need to make so much [Censored]in drama out of it.

I don't see how anyone could possibly want the Mod Depot site to go down, but LOA must have been treated pretty bad to have wanted to delete all our stuff. Not that I'm anyone to talk because I'm just another member of the forum, but I think the Mod depot forum should just go back up again and we can just help out modding noobs and teach each other like we used to.

bloodhawk1 - 1-2-2007 at 02:27 PM

It is..... Hes uploading the database right now...

Ziprock - 1-2-2007 at 04:50 PM

Well, ive read this whole thread. Heres what old Zippy has to say..

I myself think its great that LOA released the Nova mod tools. Not only does it help put people on the same page, it can help bring more people into the novalogic modding scene.

Ive been going to LOA and the Mod-Depot often ever since i started to get really into modding. ..And, ive learned a lot. Without LOA or the Mod-Depot i would still be trying to figure out how to get models into BHD.

Not sure whatever started this mess but can't we put it behind us? You know, forgive and forget? If LOA wants to go onto COD2, and have fun doing that.. then all the power to him. Im glad he has found something he enjoys. Hes told me great things about cod2.. If i ever see it for sale, and ive got 50 bucks to burn then i would buy it in a heartbeat.

Last thing ill say is that ill second everything that "DANVb329" wrote in his post above.

And ill end my post with DANVb329's quote, now everyone read this a few times.

Christ, it's just a modding site for an online game. No need to make so much F*%@#$ drama out of it.

Eagle_Eye - 1-2-2007 at 08:46 PM

Q-dad~TAG, I had no idea who was involved when I made that post..so it wasn't pointed at anyone in particular..

Doesn't really matter, I said my bit..take it however you want..but I'm a forgiving person..

We are all meeting at the ToW site hosted by Angel..(swtdivalove)

http://nova-mods.titansofwar.us/forums/

I'm sure anyone is welcome there..regardless of what has happened..

EE

Q-dad~TAG - 1-3-2007 at 01:49 AM

I'm sorry I got too upset for a while there, so I agree with all of the latest posts above. I also have the ability to calm down and forgive, so I don't hold any ill feelings towards any people mentioned in this topic anymore.

LoA - 1-5-2007 at 11:51 AM

i am sorry for closing the depot on so many good people.. but i am not sorry for standing my ground...

can i ask that we all just put this behind us and move on... the mod depot is reopen for buisness.. and again all the inocent bystanders i am sorry for the agrivation..

Eagle_Eye - 1-5-2007 at 12:15 PM

Great Stuff LoA, Now I'm a member of 2 modding sites..LOL..

Well, had to help out Angel just in case you didn't bring back the Mod Depot..LOL..

See you there mate..

EE

swtdivalove - 1-6-2007 at 07:20 AM

AWESOME! *in my best NJ accent* :D Just totally AWESOME!

Thank you, LoA, for bringing Mod Depot back online! It's a great resource for the community!

:D

Angel