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Stupid teamates dont follow me accuratly

Ozair - 7-16-2004 at 05:44 PM

I am getting crazy with that Teamates. I even set them to Go to group.
They are following me and obeying my orders. But they still using a straight line path to get to me. In Single Player missions the teamates follow us accuratly and they dont stuck in place. Plz help me.
:(

Eagle_Eye - 7-16-2004 at 08:11 PM

We've discussed this before, there's nothing special that Nova does...they have no waypoints, they are on the same team as you..they are set to follow you...there are no wac commands that make them do this..there are no events that make them do this...

That's all we can get from examining the Stock Maps, the bin files and wac files..

There may be something that we missed, but I've already spent way too much times disecting BHD maps..

EE

Yeah, funny joke

Ozair - 7-16-2004 at 08:48 PM

But there is got to be a solution. Do read the messeage that I sent "long messege but please reply". There is got to be a solution. Plz give me mail address of Andy Kipling. Thanks
Ozair

7>Snake - 7-16-2004 at 09:57 PM

We've spoken about this a number of times. As Eagle_Eye has said, there is no magic solution other than the answers you have already received.

The only true method of ensuring AIs follow your every step is to walk in a straight line on flat ground with no decorations, buildings or vehicles to get in the way.

When making Single Player maps you must use a combination of player waypoints, teammate waypoints, area triggers and even teleport targets to get AI's to 'appear' to follow you thru buildings, in tunnels, narrow alleyways, confined spaces or heavy vegetation.

Becasue they are AIs and not human beings, they will do as they are programmed (ask any married guy!). When told to 'goto group' or 'goto player', that is exactly what they will do. They will take the most direct route to achieve that goal. They are not capable of 'seeing' buildings, trucks, trees, corners etc. and going around them.

If the player walks around a corner, a staircase landing or tunnel and puts a building fence or wall (or any other object) between you and the straight line to the AI, they will always get stuck.

When making your map you MUST carefully plan the routing of the temmates to cover any route the player may take. It takes a lot of time and a lot of adjustment as trial and error will reveal the numerous corrections that need to be made. There is no easy, magic solution.

If you are doing what has been suggested to you in the many times you have raised this question you will get the results you desire.

joselz - 7-16-2004 at 11:46 PM

Hey Ozair,
I have been looking to the MIS of the SP maps by Novalogic, and i think the best way to send teammates to player is by the following way:
Don't use "GO to Player" Or "Go to SSN"

You must set all your teammates to Group 1(Blue players), then Make a event:
"Go to Gruop".
This may Not help your temmates get Stuck, But is better than "Go to Player".
They Formation would be more accurate.

Ok, One qustion!!!
How can i make the "RoomTakeDown" .
How can Place the red triangle to make a "Room TakeDown", and then make the teammates to TROW A FLASHBANG in to room and the enter to clean the room.

does Anyone have any knowledge!!!

thanks j.l.

Eagle_Eye - 7-18-2004 at 02:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ozair
But there is got to be a solution. Do read the messeage that I sent "long messege but please reply". There is got to be a solution. Plz give me mail address of Andy Kipling. Thanks
Ozair




There may be a solution, we don't know what it is, we are not Novalogic, so it's no "FUNNY JOKE.." we didn't write the game, or the original missions, we learnt to map by disecting Nova maps, reading the manual and posts here..

I have gone over BHDSP_18 with a fine tooth comb, I don't know why they follow you with such pinpoint accuracy..

Yes, it should work..but it doesn't, don't forhet, we use an unlocked med, done by a DF fan, not Nova. Nova has there own Med, they gave us a trimmed down version. I've even opened the mis files in a text editor, and I can't find anything to help..

We don'thave Andys email..try emailing Nova..

EE

You want a proof snake I will get you a proof

Ozair - 7-18-2004 at 04:58 AM

Hi Jozel, Snake , Eagle_Eye
The stupid Teamates. I think I am getting closer to that great magic. But I cant make a pcx file. Can some one make a pcx file for me
I will send you the bin file via email.

And jozel. The autoarea rome takedown. I think this can be done by a teleport target mark with a particel effects. Tell me your email address I will try to think about that and I will tell you.
Ozair

Eagle_Eye - 7-18-2004 at 10:38 AM

Ozair, the PCX file is just an intro pic, nothing more, it just displays while the map is loading. You can make one by pressing the screenshot (F11), then the game will take a screenshot, and place the pcx formatted picture into your BHD install folder. PCX, is just a file format for pictures, the same as a jpg, or gif is "Just" a file format.

When I do an intro pic, I ususally run my SP mission, bring up the mission briefing by pressing the "G" key (because I have a bin file), take a screen shot containing the info..like I did with the EXP map "Operation Orca" which was shipped as a stock SP map with the EXP install.

Yes, we know if you press the "Caps Lock" you can use your teammate commands to hold the team back, we know that you can then call him back to your position, we know that in the Nova Stock SP Missions, the teammate doesn't get stuck on buildings, he comes straight to you as if on a set of waypoints.. we "Don't" know why we can't get our single player maps to do the same.

BTW, if you leave your teammate behind too far in "Last Stand", he WILL get stuck as well..

EE

Thanks for the pcx file

Ozair - 7-18-2004 at 06:37 PM

Hi Eagle_Eye,
I have Tested the SP map Last Stand 10000000 times. He dont get stucked in any way. There is a solutoin that we dont know what it is about. THe Pcx file thanks. Now I understand how to do it. But in Last Stand he dont get stucked anyway.:(

Eagle_Eye - 7-18-2004 at 11:11 PM

The bad news us...he get's stuck, I tested the teammate by playing Last Stand, just prior to my last post, I left the teammate back near the broken wall,on the start side of the wall.. went on through. had the two little birds do the stafing run, went around the coner to the next felt turn and called the teammate..he got stuck...but yes, there is a trick that we can't duplicate..

EE

No he dont get stucked

Ozair - 7-19-2004 at 03:53 AM

Eagle you are right
Check the mission Last stand:
When the little bird has strafed run then go back to that building. You will see a wall and smoke around it. Now by 3rd person view see the building from above. Now set your teamate to follow you. He will follow you 100% accuratly. I tested like that many times.
Try it
Ozair

7>Snake - 7-19-2004 at 05:46 AM

Oh my god Eagle_Eye - you were right !!!!

If you leave a teammate somewhere, then run back to him and say follow me he will follow you.

If you leave a teammate somewhere and don't run back to him but tell him to follow you he gets stuck.

Well isn't that just the darnedest thing?!

:o

Eagle_Eye - 7-19-2004 at 12:27 PM

I have done exhaustive testing on this subject, I usually don't answer until I'm sure of a fact...

Here's a breakdown of the facts ........

In the "Last Stand", or any of the maps with "Teammate Commands"..you can leave your team behind, then call them up, they seem to have great accuracy in negotiating the buildings, and rarely get "Stuck" on a building.

It depends where you leave them, and how far back you leave them as to whether they get stuck of not....when you call them up.

If you go back to them, then press "Follow Me".. they will always follow you smoothly...

A lot of the time, they follow through tight situations, and I/we can't duplicate this action...

What we do know is..this..(from the last stand)

1. You have 1 teammate who will follow.
2. the ssn number of the teammate is 3334
3. in event 12 SSN 3334 is directed to nearest waypoint in list 126 which is the event that enables the teammate commands
4. ssn3334 is on the blue team.
5. no other event pertains to ssn 3334
6. no wac file uses ssn 3334
7. nothing in the bin file for ssn3334
8. ssn 3334 can't follow the "Blue Team" waypoints because of event 12.
9. ssn3334 is set to Red Alert
10. The player start Marker is set to "Neutral" team

If there is other stuff you have found about this...let me know.

If your teammate doesn't get stuck, well, your lucky..mine does, sometimes, not all the time.., and 7>Snake's does..



Regards
EE

Well there is a solutoin

Ozair - 7-19-2004 at 06:19 PM

Hi, There is a solutoin and the teamate dont get stuck. Snake I will show you by some screenshots but you will have to wait a longer. But the teamate has no problem. I have tested it thousand times he dont get stucked.

Eagle_Eye - 7-19-2004 at 10:38 PM

OK, are we talking about the Normal Stock games, or ones you have made, cos this is getting confusing..

I don't care if a stock map teammate gets stuck..I can go back and free him if he does..

I thought this was all about getting this to work on your own Maps..!!

If you have found a solution as to why the teammate following takes a straight line path....post it here..

EE

Phew!!

Iceman - 7-19-2004 at 10:47 PM

Its certainly confused me...lol

Hey, Ozair

joselz - 7-20-2004 at 03:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ozair
And jozel. The autoarea rome takedown. I think this can be done by a teleport target mark with a particel effects. Tell me your email address I will try to think about that and I will tell you.
Ozair



Ok, Oazir, my email is
latinoj88@hotmail.com

Let me know about the RoomTake down.

I will like to know how to do this.

Thanks
J.L.

You will have to wait a little longer Jozels

Ozair - 7-20-2004 at 07:51 PM

Hi Eagle_Eye and Jozel,
Jozel you will have to wait because my brother has deleted my game and I have to restore all my data. You will have to wait a little longer and Eagle_Eye I failed to make the teamates follow me accuratly but I found some files in the pff file, I dont know what are they about. Here is the list I extracted.

SPBHD_11.ain
SPBHD_11.dbf
SPBHD_11.lwf
SPBHD_11.end

I dont know what are these files for. Any help???????????????:(

Ragards
Ozair

Stupid Novalogic support

Ozair - 7-20-2004 at 08:00 PM

Hi,
These stupid novalogic dont tell me the email of Andy Kipling or Dre, Trevor or Jason Tull. When I ask a questoin about those stupid teamates they say that we cant answer about the MED of any program.

Stupid Novalogic Support

Eagle_Eye - 7-21-2004 at 01:47 AM

Sorry, I shouldn't have told you to email Nova..if you read the print on the Med Manual, it states that there is no support..

The .dbf and .lwf files are both sound files, sort of a library file set up, that's where the "String Dialog" is setup..you know, when the SP maps say Play dialog number xx, and then a heap of waves are set up to form a long sentence.

I'm not sure about the other 2, but, in my test maps I've been doing, I just renamed them to suit my own mission..it didn't help

Now, I've been taking a look at the "Room Takedown", you know it's greyed out when we bring up our teammate commands, and in "Radio Aidid", there are 2 takedowns, one at the front door, and one up top on about the 3rd floor.

When you step into an area, the room takedown comes on, and the backspce icon appears..also, if you pres the caps lock, the room takedown becomes active..if you step back, it greys out again, step back in, and it reappears, you can do this as many times as you want, and it keeps switching. On the one on the ground floor, I also see the spinning triangle (in the med, this is the icon for room takedown).., sitting above the door.

Now, the one on the top floor has a z value, cos it doesn't come on when you walk under it..only on the top floor, just as you pass the end of the stairwell railing..

OK, so I bms to mis the SDBHD_08, and loaded it into the Med..there are no icon's for room takedown anywhere in the map, yet, when I play it, I can see it, so...

Also, I can't see any trigger, with a z value, near the top floor where the icon is triggered..

Therefore, it's my opinion, that 2 things have happened..

1. The bms to mis that we use, and I have 2 different ones..doesn't convert all the items correctly..like the takedown icon..

2. The Med we have, isn't unlocked correctly, and we can't set takedowns up..same with the teammate follow..

I shall carry on researching, in hope that I find something I can report..

I now have about 6 different installs of BHD...

The original install, 1.0.0.5
A 1.3.0.37 install, No TS
A 1.5.0.5 install, No TS
A 1.3.0.37 install with EXP, no TS
A 1.5.0.5 install with EXP
A 1.5.0.5 install with TS and EXP

I have the original med..2.00
2.05b unlocked..
2.05c unlocked..
2.00h unlocked
2.00i unlocked..2.06b
2.06b camo..

So, I've plenty to play with, on a number of versions..

EE

7>Snake - 7-21-2004 at 02:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eagle_Eye

So, I've plenty to play with, on a number of versions..

EE



And obviously .... way too much time on your hands?

:D

Just glad you're here EE.

Eagle_Eye - 7-21-2004 at 03:31 AM

LOL..time..I wish...Mrs gets peeved at me nightly...for being on here so often...

She knows all the missions on BHD, and has never played the game....Oh, my PC is in the living room, otherwise, I'd never see her.....lol...

We only have a 3 bedroom house, so, everytime we had a kid, I lost my PC space..that's why I ended up in the living room....lol..

I'm a stay at home Dad, 3 kids 7,6,5..last one just started school..now I'm gonna have to get a job, or create one..lol..maybe AB can pay me...LMAO..

AS If!!!

EE

Need animation ID

joselz - 7-21-2004 at 08:02 AM

Hey, Any one know what is the Animation # or ID to make a Teammate to trow a Flashbang.

I not mean when the player press the Back sapce for room take down,
I want to make a teammate to trow a Flash Bang with out me pressing Back space!!!

So, i should be with a Animation or teleport target or what???

Any I idea.

7>Snake - 7-21-2004 at 08:28 AM

I haven't used it but there is an effect called "Effect_FlashBangToss" for teleport targets that you may want to try.

I would guess you should need waypoints to get the teammate to the location and timing to make it happen correctly.

**********

Eagle_Eye you'll have to set up a computer for the Mrs. and network them so you can chat while you're on!

What kind of meds you have

Ozair - 7-21-2004 at 08:07 PM

Hey,
Hey Eagle_Eye I think you have many meds. Please send me all of them one by one at email address ozairshafiq@yahoo.com:D

I think novalogic use other kinds meds and eagle check the WAC file of SPBHD_11

Ozair

Eagle_Eye - 7-21-2004 at 10:09 PM

What am I looking at? This?

//lower team 4's hp
if never() then
ssnhp(57, 175)
ssnhp(60, 175)
ssnhp(59, 175)
endif

//raise their hp after grp 20 is destroyed
if eq(v20, 1) and never() then
ssnhp(57, 1000)
ssnhp(60, 1000)
ssnhp(59, 1000)
endif

//lower them again after the player meets up with them
if eq(v16, 1) and never() then
ssnhp(57, 385)
ssnhp(60, 385)
ssnhp(59, 385)
endif

it means change the hitpoints of the team, so they increase/decrease the amount of damage they do..

;ssnhp(ssn, hp) set ssn's hitpoints to hp

See my next post for links to the meds..

EE

Eagle_Eye - 7-21-2004 at 10:19 PM

Click on the links..

Med 2.00i

Med 2.05c

Do you have EXP Installed?

EE

Eagle_Eye - 7-21-2004 at 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 7>Snake

Eagle_Eye you'll have to set up a computer for the Mrs. and network them so you can chat while you're on!


We already have a network with our 2 PC's..she reckons her PC is just a storage PC for me... LMAO..

EE

Making a teammate to trow Flash Bang with his Hand.....

joselz - 7-22-2004 at 01:05 AM

OK, I already Put the waypoints inside the building and it work perfectely.

BUT, I put a teleport target with a particle effect "Effect_FlashBangToss", and it teleport a flash bang.
But i dont want to teleport a flash bang, I want a to Make the Leader of the Delta Team to trow a flash bang Wiht his HAND into the building Before they enter into the Building.

The player would not be in the room take down , Only Delta team, the player would be in other place with the rangers.

So, i want to make the Delta team leader to trow a Flash Bang(With his Hand).

Hey, Eagle Eye

joselz - 7-22-2004 at 01:11 AM

Where do you get the:
2.00h unlocked MED ????


I have Terra Nova EXP installed, But I don't have TS.

Eagle_Eye - 7-22-2004 at 01:18 AM

The i med is the updated version of the h, by DV, but if you want it ' i'll email it..

I am Getting a little Confused with All Those MED

joselz - 7-23-2004 at 01:51 AM

OK, I just get a little Cpnfused with all those Versions for MED.

I Have:

2.06b
2.05b Camo
2.00i
2.05c

I get Confused of WICH ONE is the BEST.
All this time i has been Working with the " 2.05c , But I will like to know wich one is the BEST.

Also, In my 2.00i , Are some parts that Say :
" Bad Texttool String"
This appear in places like in the Play part animation, or weapon Choices, And it may be in other places that i may have not Notice,
But i Don't Know What is that Phrase " Bad Texttool String ",
Do Any One Know what is that???

chrislew200 - 7-23-2004 at 02:34 AM

i personally use c and havent had any trouble with it.

chrislew200

7>Snake - 7-23-2004 at 07:52 AM

The 'Best' Med is the one that works for what you are doing.

For example:

I use the 2.05c Med for straight BHD or Team Sabre Maps.

I use the 2.05b Med for EXP Only maps, and

I use the 2.06b Med for maps that include elements of both EXP and Team Sabre. When using this one if I need to do an output text or animation then I have to open the map in the 2.05b med make the event and save it. Then I need to open it again in the 2.06b Med.

I use the separate ones because I don't want to make a Team Sabre map and by accident use an EXP object that a user would not have if they don't have EXP. Or an EXP map and used a TS object by accident and the end user doesn't have TS.

So I have found them all to be as good as each other, it just depends on what map I'm building at the time.

Still confused

Ozair - 7-24-2004 at 12:16 AM

Hi,
I found a clue that I extracted all files of Scattered Palace. I Convert the bms file into Mis and rename all of the files that I extracted. Now the wac was not working until I failed the mission, now the teamate was not following me accuratly. Now when the Wac file is working the teamate was following me accuratly. I am confused checking its wac file. Please check the wac file carefully and find anything releting to teamates.

Ozair

Eagle_Eye - 7-24-2004 at 12:19 AM

This will have to wait for me...I'm too busy making the Med Pics for the JO editor, but I will investigate as soon as I can..



EE

chrislew200 - 7-24-2004 at 12:40 AM

ill have a look in the wac now

chrislew200 - 7-24-2004 at 01:26 AM

ok i have been through the wac file there is nothing that effects those teamates in there. the only thing that i did notice in the map was that they used 32 waypoints in that first building now that would say to me thats how they got them to follow so accurately. other than that i cannot find any diffrence at all.

chrislew200

There is got to be a solution

Ozair - 7-24-2004 at 05:38 PM

Some days ago I extracted all files relating to SP Map " Scattared Palace".
I converted its bms into mis and renamed all files of that map. Now I open its mis file(I have the 2.05c MED) and add some few things in it. Now I found that the first time wac dont work as well as the teamates were not following me accuratly and the room takedowns were not working at all. I am confused checking its WAC file. I want all of you who read this post please check the WAC of all SP Maps of Black Hawk Down. Find out anything that is same in all WACs of BHD SP Maps.
There is something in the WAC file that enables the teamate to follow us accuratly and the room takedown effect is in the WAC file. Check it many time as you can. Thank u

Ozair

Yes, it is a soulution

joselz - 7-25-2004 at 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ozair

Some days ago I extracted all files relating to SP Map " Scattared Palace".
I converted its bms into mis and renamed all files of that map. Now I open its mis file(I have the 2.05c MED) and add some few things in it. Now I found that the first time wac dont work as well as the teamates were not following me accuratly and the room takedowns were not working at all. I am confused checking its WAC file. I want all of you who read this post please check the WAC of all SP Maps of Black Hawk Down. Find out anything that is same in all WACs of BHD SP Maps.
There is something in the WAC file that enables the teamate to follow us accuratly and the room takedown effect is in the WAC file. Check it many time as you can. Thank u

Ozair


Yes, I KNOW there is a solution.

But, Also i THINK the WE will Never Find Out the Soulution, Because NOVALOGIC has they OWN MED, And they would NEVER Relase it.

I don't think this has to be with .WAC files.
I think this may be with the .AIN file.

Any ways, If NOVALOGIC does not say the solution, This will be Aways a mystery for US.

Thanks
J.L.


Stupid, Idiot Novalogic - I hate them

Ozair - 7-29-2004 at 08:30 PM

Hi,
Those stupid novalogic wont tell me the solutoin. Well, I give up :(. It seems I have to use waypoints for the teamates.

Ozair

Eagle_Eye - 7-30-2004 at 05:58 PM

I remember mentioning in this, or another thread, I'm sure the BMS to Mis isn't complete, cos there's no way to set up a Room Takedown....

I've also said the Med is "Not" supported by Nova......they would need a Staff of thousands to man the phones about questions..they need sites like DFB to do that job, but we Don't know everything, we only know what we do because we experiment, we have people like DV, Devilsclaw, Pappy, and AB that make tools for us, unlocked Meds etc..but even the Unlocked Meds may not be totally unlocked..God knows Ive seen many Unlocked Meds with different items, menus..so, we make do with what we have..if we can't do it one way, we devise another..this is what you need to do..cos, Personally, I'm sick of the subject..and I've accepted the fact that we can't duplicate what Nova have done with the Teammates, and the Room Takedown...

You should be happy that we can at least use Teammate Commands...

I've sid my bit..

EE

I give up

Ozair - 8-1-2004 at 05:50 AM

I give up. I have to use Waypoints for the stupid teamates.

Ozair