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PETITION: PunkBuster On ALL Nova Servers!

A.Bullet - 6-21-2004 at 01:52 AM

OK.. well im fed up.. I just got out of a full version Nova server.. and I want Nova to explain why they dont have PB enabled on ALL thier servers..

There was a bunch of guys stating right out they are cheating.. so what gives nova.. do you condone online cheating.. is that why (MOST OF) your servers dont run PB.

Why build it into your game - and not enable it on servers.. I for one am very distrubed by this as I can assure you are many others.

Please reply I agree if you think punkbuster should be enabled in ALL nova servers..

cr@zzyki££@ - 6-21-2004 at 02:00 AM

I agree

A Drunken Theory - 6-21-2004 at 02:11 AM

I agree!

The nova servers are and always will be the only servers that carry over 64 people, which are the servers I enjoy most. It's horrible to have to reduce myself to playing a non-punkbuster server and subject myself to endless cheating comments when I do well in the game.

The main reason is that a good majority of the servers are running the same maps over and over again, and not using the 15-20 maps that were released for AAS. The un-punkbusted nova servers are running every map, or at least a variety different from the private hosts, which is why I join them, punkbuster or not - I want to explore the new maps, or at least see them since none of the other private servers host them.

It's to the point where im ready to start my own server just to run a decent mapcycle with punkbuster activated.

I dont think nova condones online cheating, but I also think they dont give a $#!t about it either. All they care about is sales. I don't see any of Nova's logic besides one goal of making as much money as possible. Why else would they release a game, then make it illegal for anybody to run a server over 100 people. Oh yeah, I forgot, Nova is going to rent out servers for their own game and making it impossible for anybody in the community to compete with their servers. Its freakin BS, - ok they have an @$$hole as their marketing director, but for the love of the game, ENABLE PUNKBUSTER and let us play fair!!

Hey Bullet, maybe you can charge people to register at DFBarracks, then make them pay on each post they make. Then you can be like Nova.

HumanTarget - 6-21-2004 at 02:28 AM

full agree here AB. doesn't make sense to put punkbuster into the game and then not enable in on the servers..

Eagle_Eye - 6-21-2004 at 03:06 AM

OK, let me get this straight..cos we Aussies don't have JO yet..well I don't..lol..

PB is part of the package, but Nova isn't running it on their servers??!!!

A.Bullet - 6-21-2004 at 03:13 AM

you got it.. punkbuster installs by default on ALL installs.. butnova only has itenabled on about 1/10th of the servers..

So a bunch are riddled with cheats.. already.. and Nova.. well seems they dont care.. perhaps thoery is right.. and they just want to make people so mad they rent one from them with PB enabled to get away from the cheaters..

Very lame on Novas part... if you ask me..

Hence the petition..

Wo|f - 6-21-2004 at 03:15 AM

In that case, I AGREE!

bhd1011 - 6-21-2004 at 03:36 AM

Agreed.

Timber3050 - 6-21-2004 at 04:36 AM

I agree. it makes no sense at all. They have a very powerful anti-cheat tool at their hands and they need to use it.

eddsdead - 6-21-2004 at 04:50 AM

I AGREE BIG TIME:D

chrislew200 - 6-21-2004 at 04:59 AM

i agree

what we talking about

Eagle_Eye - 6-21-2004 at 02:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by A.Bullet
you got it.. punkbuster installs by default on ALL installs.. but nova only has itenabled on about 1/10th of the servers..

So a bunch are riddled with cheats.. already.. and Nova.. well seems they dont care.. perhaps theory is right.. and they just want to make people so mad they rent one from them with PB enabled to get away from the cheaters..

Very lame on Novas part... if you ask me..

Hence the petition..


Well that's a bit Bloody Pathetic isn't it!!! Now I have even less repect for Nova's efforts..

I can't see myself getting it anyway..not with 56k...lol..I need adsl pronto..

So, cheats already..just what kind of stuff have they come up with already?

EE

Steptoe - 6-21-2004 at 08:37 PM

And no explaination anywhere y?
Stupid people.

I can flame Nova and get away with it in the forums?:o

A.Bullet - 6-22-2004 at 02:44 AM

Well actually Step.. since now your CD-Key is tied to your account.. and your account is tied to thier FORUM AND REQUIRED to play online.. well.. I wouldnt upset them too much in their forums.. or you might not be in the game anymore either..

Cheats

Infiltrator_2K - 6-22-2004 at 05:13 AM


I don't think I've ever been cheated on when playing on Nova's servers, although I have occasionally found a few players that have cheated themselves.

I just wonder how good they feel when they still get beaten whilst cheating :D

RedNR - 6-22-2004 at 02:10 PM

Im with you all the way A.Bullet, its just plain dumb not to turn on punkbuster...

Chilled-ICE- - 6-23-2004 at 06:04 AM

Agree, if you offer a no cheat you should run it. As a matter of fact all Squads should on their servers. That will eliminate the " you are cheating " accuseations once and for all. If you do not run it, do not whine about cheaters.

Geordie*BoB* - 6-25-2004 at 03:39 AM

Well i cant comment until tomorrow but if its true i will be dissapointed by nova (again) 1 thing though wich i doubt very much is nova are looking to see what cheats are out there to patch on the 1st update (stop laughing ur butt off) Nova dont give a dang as long as there is money to be made ban cheaters accounts and let them buy a new one this seems novas stance as it was in bhd instead of working on a fix that they have on jo but evidently choose not to use .... GET UR ACT TOGETHER NOVA

sgtcbl - 6-26-2004 at 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by A.Bullet
Well actually Step.. since now your CD-Key is tied to your account.. and your account is tied to thier FORUM AND REQUIRED to play online.. well.. I wouldnt upset them too much in their forums.. or you might not be in the game anymore either..


This has been discussed in the forum and I can say it wont piss off the ole boys at NL. They are not real happy about JOO that is openly cheating in the JO Demo, but it is helping PB and NL make inroads in blocking some of the cheats available out there.

Correct me if I am wrong, with the CD key implant it will be easier for them to catch the cheaters and PB is monitoring also.

bs2 - 6-26-2004 at 07:35 PM

yep. yep. yep.....enable enable enable

Agreed

9 Mill - 6-27-2004 at 06:46 AM

I totally agree, I only bought the game yesterday, (quite impressd for the most part).
But straight after I installed I went to the Nova site for the latest update, and the latest views etc. I came across a thread about how cheaters are already on the Jo servers. One group of cheaters even has a site dedicated to their cause (******* losers). They openly brag about it and even have screen shots of their trainers in action(Stupidity), and trying to make their names famous. I couldn't believe it. And they call it "alternative playing" One of them even brags how he tested a trainer on a PB enabled server and wasn't detected:(, come on Nova whas going on?

9

Agree

MortarAttack - 6-27-2004 at 09:21 AM

I agree

DareDevil666 - 6-27-2004 at 11:54 AM

I Definatly Agree

SnipherHunter444 - 6-27-2004 at 01:25 PM

how do u turn it on if u play? like i kno some rooms require it, so how do u turn it on?

XxShadowxX - 6-27-2004 at 03:04 PM

plain and easy i agree, how about ANY of us who agreed email nova and get them to enable it that way? of course we need to email novaWORLD because they are the ones running the servers nova logic just made the game

HumanTarget - 6-27-2004 at 03:40 PM

nova world is novalogic... it's just what they call their game servers

Ruthless - 6-27-2004 at 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrislew200
i agree

what we talking about

lamo

I agree....but I don't think PB installs by default. I kinda remember being asked along the way if I wanted to install it. I could be wrong, I usually am. :D

HumanTarget - 6-27-2004 at 04:21 PM

yeah it asks if u want to install it... but that's pretty much a standard install question.. if u have an uptodate PB then installing an older version would sort of be counter productive :)

Hawcowboy - 6-30-2004 at 06:22 PM

I agree 100% on activating PB!!!!!! :cool:

I'm with you A.B

gensherm77 - 7-1-2004 at 03:21 AM

I've been holding off buying JO because I heard about the cheating.. I despise cheaters. I'm not real good, but I would never stoop so low to cheat.

Kinda like stealing Monopoly money when you're the banker. Things little kids do.

Sherm

cr@zzyki££@ - 7-2-2004 at 06:32 AM

wekk know if the cheat, they have to buy a new hard drive coz PB now banning there systems to like they have started to do with americas army BANN then HO's!!! :D

Zorro - 7-2-2004 at 07:35 AM

Wouldn't someone just have to reformat to get unbanned? Buying a new hard drive doesn't make sense to me... :o

Oh well I can't play AA or JO anyways since I'm on dial up, but am curious as to why a cheater would have to buy a new harddrive instead of reformatting...

Zorro - 7-3-2004 at 03:22 AM

Now that makes more sense lol. :D

Geordie*BoB* - 7-3-2004 at 04:48 AM

No it works on various numbers ie. mainboard etc anyone who runs a legit copy of xp and swapped boards will know what i mean .. Also if banned from jo by pb u will be banned from all games that support pb.. if anyone needs info i can post the link and nova have put pb inplace on there servers now ;)

Punkbuster

ussfmurph - 7-3-2004 at 10:00 AM

I agree, Nova is condoning cheating by not enabling PB. They stink

Iceman - 7-3-2004 at 10:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eagle_Eye
OK, let me get this straight..cos we Aussies don't have JO yet..well I don't..lol..

PB is part of the package, but Nova isn't running it on their servers??!!!



You speak for yourself EE I have an original copy of J\O which is available in Australia and I agree with A.B.

If NovaLogic put PB on the CD why don't they run it on thier severs

Regards

Big Diesel - 7-3-2004 at 01:23 PM

I Agree

Geordie*BoB* - 7-4-2004 at 04:23 AM

If any of u have checked. Nova have enabled it they did days ago after the latest update ....

And for the rest read between the lines:

The cost of hacking on PunkBuster servers has just gone up significantly. PunkBuster now computes Hardware GUIDs for various pieces of hardware on players' systems while playing on PunkBuster servers. We use multiple private one-way hashes so that no serial number information for individual computers can be determined by admins or anyone else who may try to obtain this information from a Hardware GUID (and as always, no personal information of any kind is examined, stored or transmitted by PunkBuster). When players raise a violation that corresponds to hacking or interfering with PunkBuster's normal operation, we now (in addition to Global PB GUID bans) are Globally banning the new Hardware GUIDs across all games supported by PunkBuster (including games supported in the future).

So punks who are determined to cheat so badly on PB-enabled servers that they try to hack PunkBuster may now need a new computer in addition to a new cdkey in order to return to PunkBuster servers. As with previous PB GUID Global bans, the new Hardware GUID bans are permanent and will not be lifted. As always, players who are affected by these Global bans will still be able to play on non-PB servers. Honest users should never "test" hacks that claim to interfere with PunkBuster. We have successfully tested this new feature set over the past few weeks for a few supported games and will be rolling it out to all supported games over the next few days and weeks. Additionally, PunkBuster servers will be updated to signify whether kicks for Global bans are for PB GUIDs or the new Hardware GUIDs.

Prophet - 7-5-2004 at 03:11 AM

During the Beta Testing, I wondered if Nova was going to run thee PB on all thier servers and to my surprise, the comment was something like this.
PB will be slowly upgraded to all servers over time. The point of having PB is to make for a better playing filed on our servers. This will take time to get all servers upgraded to PB Standards.
Now the way I see it, JO was expected to be this HUGE MP Hit and buy letting ppl know that PB was going to be apart of JO that would bring more ppl to buying it to boost sales.
I am not against Nova, but I left Nova Games to play more supported games then what Nova offers. Lack of support for LW-BHD.
JO took away a lot of gametypes by default for most of the ppl I know so that all chose to move on.
Not running PB off the bat with release is not a good thing, and plus PB Know has to run under Adminstration Account on you PC.
SO Nova is looking at all age groups and permissions groups.
I plaY Americas Army and ALL Server Official or leased are PB Enable to play, plus you have to be a Admin of your pc to play the game online. Hence Cheating is being stopped at the door and not in the server.
I Agree AB, just wish there was more default installed gametypes.
Still doing Beta for Nova but not interested in the Gmae enough to buy it.
Holla!!!

Eagle_Eye - 7-5-2004 at 10:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iceman
Quote:
Originally posted by Eagle_Eye
OK, let me get this straight..cos we Aussies don't have JO yet..well I don't..lol..

PB is part of the package, but Nova isn't running it on their servers??!!!



You speak for yourself EE I have an original copy of J\O which is available in Australia and I agree with A.B.

If NovaLogic put PB on the CD why don't they run it on thier severs

Regards


LOL..bragger, just been released...I haven't got the $89.95 the greedy buggers want to buy it!!

EE

A.Bullet - 7-5-2004 at 11:21 AM

Geordie.. if you had checked.. this was posted weeks before they bothered to change thier servers..

Ryzer - 8-17-2004 at 11:24 AM

I know this has been discussed way too much already, but I got a dumb question
How to tell which servers are Nova servers? Is it only the ones with more than 64 player max?? And I'm assuming that in the PB column of the game list if it has the red slash through it then that server does not have PB enabled? And if that column is empty than PB is enabled? Sry for all the questions, but I have 4 servers showing on the West Coast game list over 64 player max and only one of them has no red slash on PB column. I emailed Nova asking and this is the response I got...... "Punkbuster is enabled on ALL of the official NovaWorld servers. That's
what the marking in the PB category represents. Make sure you have the
game fully updated."

Greg
Novalogic Technical Support
Novalogic Inc.

Anyways.....sry for the huge novel, I"m just not understanding this PB/Server stuff:(

FOG>Nobes - 8-23-2004 at 10:47 AM

Servers that have PB running have the blue circle with the red border and slash, that is the PB symbol. If it isn't in the PB column, then that server is not running PB.

:)

AGREE 100 %

GRIZZLY SHOT - 8-25-2004 at 06:14 AM

I AGREE that PB should be a part of ALL the games, not just the NOVA hosted games. PB is "hehe" 1 of the reasons i bought JO, because i was totally fed up with DFLW which was full of cheats. Not to mention BHD. but still JO by far has the best graphics going !! hands down, they spanked them all.... GRIZZ.:cool:

HumanTarget - 8-25-2004 at 10:46 AM

The official Nova servers have a big Nova N next to them. There are unofficial servers with more than 64.. is AUS we currently have a 150 Player server, non Nova.

Agreed ....with a question

Mr Black II - 8-25-2004 at 03:20 PM

PB should be on all servers as far as I'm concerned. But do you concider the people running these weapons mods cheating???? I do!! how can someone carry 40 satchels charges, 100 grenades for the M203?? that's cheating too. MY OPINION ONLY!!!!

Mr B.

HumanTarget - 8-25-2004 at 03:32 PM

it's not cheating, because for a mod to be running everyone has to have the same mod. so it's still an even playing field. no unfair advantage to any one person.

Couq - 8-31-2004 at 08:43 AM

In fact HumanTarget you are wrong here!!

Reason I know is because I actually got this mod for JO, I've tested it to see if it works!! AND THE [Censored] IT DID!!!

This really screws up the game, I was able to join Punk Buster servers, also I had Punk Buster enabled myself! So I guess Punk Buster needs a serious update people, this is outragous. It is a simply file that is placed in your JO folder and then you edit your shortcut, how I'm not gonna tell, but it is quite easy and anyone with a little knowledge on these things could easily make themself have a 30x zoom on sniper rifles!!

And just for the note: I've only tested it for the test. It is a cheat and it have to be stopped somehow!!

Concerning Punkbuster

MudBone - 9-1-2004 at 04:34 AM

Maybe(and I use the word lightly) PB wasn't enabled on those servers to allow a horde of cheaters to start playing to get a sense of security because to this date PB hasn't even been put into play, and maybe, just maybe(there's that word again) PB is waiting for enough cheats to get into the wild before flipping the PB switch. Note: Below you will find a pasted result from punkbusted.coms site showing that no cheats have been purged yet;

Joint Operation: Typhoon Rising 08/01/2004 01:21 1 - Master Ban List (0)
- Ban Removals (0)

PB and I agree!

MustangMan - 9-1-2004 at 06:42 AM

I like Peanut Butter! and, I AGREE, the Dodgers will win the World Series!


Oh, and I hate cheaters! I think NOVA has the FUNBUSTER running though...

Cpt. Appocolypse =CF= - 9-1-2004 at 07:42 PM

I absolutely agree!!!
I've also heard lately that there are a couple cheats out there that PB won't catch at this time.. (hopefully tho, it's only a rumor!)...
Cheers!

Cobra - 9-8-2004 at 12:29 PM

I've noticed that alot of servers aren't running pb?Not even Nova servers.I think everyone should have it turned on in your servers.If you don't your saying you condone it?

~P~B~

*MAJ*BLOOD*B*S* - 9-15-2004 at 06:35 AM

I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW SOLDIERS!

Death by Stewie - 9-17-2004 at 08:38 AM

Why wouldn't i agree?

Jack Wolf 16AAB - 9-17-2004 at 07:35 PM

I Agree!

seems to b nova superficial

dark41 - 9-22-2004 at 02:38 AM

I have played on several servers, and have elected to remain on a handful of private servers, because of the issue. I agree with A.Bullet - it seems a bit on the shady side of Hokey - that they develop technology to prevent cheating, yet dont put it on their servers, thats a serious issue.

I have been loyal to the DF series since I found the first one. They have certainly come a long way from the original DF. I would just say that they seem to have become a normal corporation and are no longer about the people who fuel their business.

Nile is a perfect example, but I think it is important for play to be fair and balanced.

DAMIAN2 - 10-15-2004 at 12:45 AM

I agree it PB should always be on but how many of you besides A.Bullet have actually went and sign up as a member at the PB site and joined in the cause.
If you read there it states that in order for PB to work they have to 1)find the cheat 2)then tear it down and see how it works 3) then go in and make a program to counter it 4) then test it 5) then make an update to release it into game files.
Now what this means is that even if PB is enabled doesnt mean that if there is a cheat being ran that it will be stopped immediatly. They have said some of these could take up to 6weeks or more to find,rewrite,test,and release in order or the system to block it.
As for the PB banned pples list, you will not see any names listed on that for quite a long time, it has been chosen not to alienate these people more so than just not allowing them to play ONCE they have been definitly found running a cheat or trainer that PB has found and made a fix for.
All this information can be found if you sign up and join the PB site and become an active member. Its just like being on a team, if your part of the actual team youll get access to more than just seeing the basic site and information that you see now.

But in conclusion, YES they should still have it showing and running on their servers......
I AGREE

knightfall-koi- - 10-15-2004 at 12:49 AM

I agree

i do not agree...

tyler20 - 10-15-2004 at 10:33 AM

it takes to much space and slows down this computer but i have it in punkbuster suckS

bs2 - 10-19-2004 at 03:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tyler20
it takes to much space and slows down this computer but i have it in punkbuster suckS

I really cudent care if it slows down a computer...if it improves the game the use of it sould be compolsary

Punk Buster

ECCFriendlyFire - 11-7-2004 at 01:57 AM

Well, I agree, although I must admit I never have been accused of cheating, mm I wonder why?? :P

Delta_Seeker - 1-2-2005 at 10:15 PM

I totaly agree with you, nova have the only 150 player servers and then they dont even run punkbuster on all of them, that is stupid of them to do why did they even make the game with pb in it if they are not going to use it.
and aint nova the ones that told us that they wern't going to release mod tolls for joint ops because people might be bale to cheat with them ....LOL

lil-blackbird - 1-3-2005 at 10:52 PM

I agree.But i know when i first started and i madde a server i thought pb was automaticlly enabled so some of those servers might be newer players hosting so anyway i do agree thought.

earthpig - 1-5-2005 at 01:14 PM

I agree

PaulJ69~J4F~ - 1-16-2005 at 09:31 AM

agree

merlins lair - 2-1-2005 at 07:44 PM

agree this is way wrong all servers should have an anti cheat in place like punk buster because it gets rather annoying when you are shooting at someone and clearly hitting them and they run up and knife you this has happened a few times in games i have been in it way out of hand and just ruins the game in it's entirety the games are there for fun and if you die then fair enough it happens just respawn and try again how hard is it 100% backing on this matter from my end

Bootneck - 2-17-2005 at 08:59 AM

RGR ...... AB

Bk ... out

ƒáçlôñ mg§ - 2-17-2005 at 09:17 AM

well there is a pettation goin on about this we need a 1000 sigs n we got like 820 sigs i made a post about it heres a link to it http://www.petitiononline.com/sr292005/ plz sign it most of my squad and other squads have

Molotov - 2-23-2005 at 04:27 AM

I agree

eon5 - 2-28-2005 at 01:45 AM

i agree, md5 check is a MUST !!


BUT JO server canT host 150 players with PB ON !!

PB ON = 32 players limit

coolduderyan07 - 3-6-2005 at 10:55 AM

I agree... its like they are welcoming cheaters...

Kmilk - 11-15-2005 at 08:52 AM

I also agree. I belive you should only cheat WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING ALONE and is dose not create harm to any one else who is playing. Otherwise you are playing with other people to see the best score you shoulnt Cheat because it just not fair and unjust!!!!

But thata my opinon!

:):D

Aus10=M= - 3-10-2007 at 03:53 AM

We can all cite the character names of a good number of former DF/JO players who no longer play in the NovaLogic arena... they moved on to other games, fed up with all the negativity that cheating creates.

Perhaps NovaLogic allows cheaters to apply their wares for fear of losing them as well... NovaLogic is a business after all and the "bottom line" is rule #1 in any business.

Then there are the "urban legends" and myths regarding PunkBusters... hell, maybe PunkBusters was why 9/11 occurred and "O'Sammy" is the chief programmer at PunkBusters....

Get real, NovaLogic! Turn on PunkBusters. "Git'er done!"

Being hooked on NovaLogic games myself, I'll continue to play in password-mode with trusted friends and associates. I also switched to CoOp mode from TDM mode... you really have to be lame to cheat in a CoOp game but some do... and they think that we are too stupid to notice.

SAS private LoL - 3-10-2007 at 08:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Aus10=M=
you really have to be lame to cheat in a CoOp game but some do... and they think that we are too stupid to notice.


LMAO...so they suck even against the poor dumb AIs?

I saw something about Punkbuster above, which said it only works for 32 player server....so why dont they make for Nova's 150 (and IC 250!)?

I Agree

DarthSteeler - 4-16-2007 at 10:26 AM

I also Agree however,,most the new Cheats and hacks get around PunkBuster anyhow and that is why nova may not be supporting it,,,I love JO and BHD and DFX however they are older games and probably wont be around in 5 yrs,,,the new games are drawling more and more players from them.. and it wouldn't surprise me to see nova sell out or close down altogether,,,they sure are not making a new way are they???

Matrix1MD - 4-25-2007 at 10:38 PM

I AGREE!!!!!!

Sgt.Saunders - 5-13-2007 at 02:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarthSteeler
I also Agree however,,most the new Cheats and hacks get around PunkBuster anyhow...


So true, and it's especially sad to read the comments - outright in-game bragging by the numerous 'haxors' (who've infiltrated Nova servers these days) with regard to how they've bypassed PB altogether, yet Nova seems to be very slow at reacting and/or does simply nothing about this ongoing/growing problem whatsoever?