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is this a glitch or not?

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-7-2004 at 12:20 PM

In the map House of Pain. Someone can get in the chopper while another crawls out on the mini gun. The player that is inside the the blackhawk triggers the chopper to take off then dies. The chopper thinks that there is no one inside the chopper but in reality there is someone standing on the mini gun. Since the chopper believes no one is on there, it returns back to base flying directly over the zone enabling the player that is on min gun to jump onto the roof of the zone. As many of you know the roof is inaccesible except jumping off this helo.

Gunny[TNT] - 2-7-2004 at 12:32 PM

LOL If thats not Gliching what would be

HumanTarget - 2-7-2004 at 02:09 PM

it might be a glitch... but i'd like to see someone replicate it much lol. don't think it would be an easy glitch to use, so doubt that anyones likely to be too worried about it.

Military_wife[TNT] - 2-7-2004 at 02:56 PM

Well actually thats not true, it was used against us during a scrimmage and we were informed it has been used before by others.

ragelx - 2-7-2004 at 10:08 PM

Yes it is a glitch, since the roof is inaccesible any other way, I've seen this done before in a TKOTH server where no one had any idea as to where the last opposing zoner was

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-7-2004 at 10:59 PM

actually a couple teams have perfected it and uses it regularly in matchs and scrimages. We discovered it and they dont think it is a glitch, thats why i wanted your guys view.

^I^Poofman - 2-7-2004 at 11:06 PM

Ya, SOH used it against us in a match, and I didn't talk to them for like a week. They said, "so and so did it to us", so I guess in their minds it made it right. Anyway, I personally think it's a glitch, and won't play a squad that uses it.

COp abd - 2-8-2004 at 02:27 AM

If you ain't sposed to be on the roof, then ya ain't sposed to be on the roof!

By using this tactic you have fooled the chopper into flying over the zone when it wouldn't otherwise.

Glitch.

warpain - 2-8-2004 at 03:03 AM

Hell yes this is a glitch!

This is no different than loading the chopper with satchels & blowing over the zone...

Or before the last upadate, rolling into the wall to get to the roof, or even going prone behind the file cabinet to fall threw the wall.

I've found every glitch there is on every map, and I inform everyone I know of the glitch, especially my own teammates.

They know as well as I do, if you are caught using them, you're banned from our server, squad, and any squad I show a SS to.

Use of glitches, i.e. CHEATING! Is childish, disrespectful, and down right ignorant!

Shadow~tr~
www.trsquad.com

Fluffy_NoSkill - 2-8-2004 at 05:12 AM

Hmm glitch a?
I say more like cheat is ya ask me!!
If you cant go in through the front, up the back or clear the sides then the only way is to cheat!!
Come to think of it, standing on the minigun of a blackhawk and jumping onto the zone roof should be reported to the anti cheat thingy and stamped out!! :o

Any team found doing this against NoSkill will (more than likely) be on there own in seconds.

consider my 10p spent.

peebs - 2-8-2004 at 05:33 AM

I'm in the midddle on this one, if it is a glitch then you can just fly in the choppper over the zone and kill the guy on the building.. lol.. But I would say glitch....

XOKORN†U§M† - 2-8-2004 at 06:15 AM

This glitch is on the verge of cheating expecially when two team members work in unison to make the chopper fly over the zone while you trick the chopper into thinking its empty. I can tell you now if we see anyone trying this in our server or in match or scrimmage we will punt those two players each time they attempt it. So that it is no longer worth it. a glitch is by definition anything generated in the game that shouldnt be that gives a player an unfair advantage. By one player suiciding with another riding outside the chopper making the game think its empty definately fits the description. same with the ladder glitch in witch if you are attached to the ladder near water level you can fire you wepon under water ,,MINIME tried to tell us this was acceptable.

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Lawdog*us3 - 2-8-2004 at 10:10 AM

I've rarely played bhd but my thoughts are it isn't cheating. I guess it technically is a glitch but if it something everyone is able to do then that makes the playing field fair and therefor doesn't create and unfair advantage to anyone which then makes it not a glitch cause it is something that everyone can equally do and be aware of.

Sounds like somebody just got outsmarted and is upset.

but like i said i havn't played much BHD and so there for i probably should keep my mouth shut on this one.


[Edit by Iceman - sent u2u re avatar size]

psychoson - 2-8-2004 at 10:34 AM

my question is , can you climb out on the minigun at anytime or only in this instance ? if anytime , then i don,t believe it is a glitch , but if it can only be accomplished by tricking the chopper then i would say glitch , as for loading a chopper with satchels and blowing it over the zone like someone previously mentioned , sorry bro thats just smart thinking as far as i,m concerned and i,m sorry i didn,t think of it first

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-8-2004 at 10:41 AM

The only way the chopper goes over the zone is when it is returning to base because you have tricked it into thinkning no one is on there. I dont know about the satchel thing i think that is kind of a toss up on whether or not it is a glitch, it isnt manipulating any part of the game so i guess it wouldnt be. As for what law said yes anyone can do it but since you are manipulating the game most people wont.

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-8-2004 at 01:05 PM

actually we didnt lose smart one lol

Covert1^SOH^ - 2-8-2004 at 01:20 PM

This is our reply: http://www.teamsoh.com/HOP.htm

Military_wife[TNT] - 2-8-2004 at 02:40 PM

My question would not be if its right or wrong to stand on the mini gun, But is it right to fly on the chopper on a path that was only made for it to return to base when it had no passangers. You have to remember the chopper only takes that path once it believes the chooper is empty. It would not normally fly that path if it recognized that there was a player inside. So you have to ask is it right to take advantage of this? Just because you can do something doesn't make it right. There was a reson Nova made it where the blades of the chopper kill you, because you are not supposed to be on the outside of the chopper.

HumanTarget - 2-8-2004 at 05:34 PM

The big deal Intense is that it's generally accepted that ppl do not use any glitch. Esp if they know it is a glitch. because it has been deemed a form of cheating.

There used to be a glitch where u could be half way up one of the walls on one of the stock maps. how'd u like to be shot from where someone isn't supposed to be able to get to? Can't say i'd like it much.

GHOSTRIDER~RSU~ - 2-8-2004 at 07:29 PM

If its a glitch and u normally wouldn't be able to ride on top of a minigun in a real blackhawk the its a form of cheating and should'nt be done.

HumanTarget - 2-8-2004 at 08:00 PM

having gone and read SOH's open letter ( i thank them for their straight forwardness in this matter) I wouldn't be too hasty to call it a glitch. Although the map maker didn't design it as a way to gain access to the roof, the map maker also didn't not make it as a way to gain access to the roof.

I think no matter what ideas ppl have from this thread, there will always be disagreements as to wether this is a glitch or not. And I would instead suggest that squads when organising scrimage matches discuss between themselves if the squads consider it a acceptable way to play or not. after all the results remain with those squads.

ps. Intense.. Please watch your mouth... u may find that Military Wife is a better play than you. lol. I wouldn't know either way. but females can play these games just as good as the blokes. So watch it.

well well well

Rotten_Sal - 2-8-2004 at 08:21 PM

well seems human reached a final ending to this topic thats cool yea it could be a glich but also the squads that use it are just as glicthing is cheaters. so haveing said that dont play the map in matches or scrimages/tournies. JUST DONT PLAY THE MAP!!:cool:

*4*Leadpoison - 2-9-2004 at 04:24 AM

hey if this is a glitch wouldnt running up a broken wall be a glitch ive seen plenty to that to get a sniper position,or altering your fall by moving sideways during the fall to get in a window u cant to that in real life either,speaking of real life for all u gunners with the m60s runnining and shooting from the hip that isnt real life either thats(RAMBO) my point being alot of things about this game arent real but still in my opinion arent cheating ,hiding in a glitch where no 1 can see u is a cheat looking thrugh walls is cheating ridnging a heli in an unusual manner is not a cheat. p.s. soh r a great bunch of guys

IceQueen~RGR - 2-9-2004 at 08:34 AM

Sorry, but I don't see how this is a glitch or cheating. Jumping from helos to roofs has always been acceptable. If the helo returns to a landing area after the inside has been cleared and takes another path, then that is what it does. If the area is accessible to any who use this technique, and the people on the roof can be killed. It is not a glitch... all aspects were legitimately accomplished without walking through walls or dropping through floors. Could you realistically stand on a mini gun.. well if you have great balance I am sure someone could. Are you in the helo? No, you are not, you are in essence "hanging from the outside". Is this realistic? Yes it is. Can you generally crawl through chopper blades to stand or lay on the top? No Way! That is why that was corrected.

It is a tactical advantage that you should learn to defend against. Not a cheat or a glitch.

I hate getting out smarted, I have even suspected others of cheating because of it. To my embarrassment, once I asked and was shown the tactic... I apologized for it. This is about egos, not glitching...

In my humble opinion...

perigrine falcon - 2-9-2004 at 09:03 AM

a few questions:
can every one do it? is it realistic? does it involve some sort of cheat/trainer?

personally i think there are different degrees of cheat/clitching for instance would hiding in walls killling people be consider more or less of a cheat than riding on a choppers minigun?

another clitch i discovered during the demo was you can enter the chopper from the side without the door by getting close the the minigun and using the attach button

roof

stinky - 2-9-2004 at 09:32 AM

I agree with taw -----------wish to continue but wont----------:o

camouflage_Tr - 2-9-2004 at 02:29 PM

I have to agree with Military Wife TNT on this one. The chopper thinks its empty. You are fooling the chopper to fly over the hotel. the Glitch is rignt there.

Plain and simple to me.. GLITCHERS

Although SOH makes some vaild points, you are still manipulating the chopper to return to base cause it thinks there is noone in it.

Camo~tr~

Damage~tr~ - 2-10-2004 at 07:14 AM

Yep i think its a glitch also... Anytime your tricking the game to do something its not supose to do then thats what its called

Madness~tr~ - 2-10-2004 at 09:34 AM

On top of the points already made... I agree that this is a glitch for another simple reason.

It wasn't meant to be there. I give congrats to teams that try to find innovative ways to win. But using this technique violates the spirit and strategy of the map.

Part of the fun and tactics of house of pain is using all your teammates in a combined fashion to take over a pretty well defensible zone. Basically the prototypical TKOTH map.

To me if your using this or any other glitch, on purpose, you might as well modem glitch and run trainers or my least favorite the 'invisible man' from DF1.

Why the hell not? everyone else could do if they wanted to.

Play the game the way it was meant to be, if you can't practice or give up, just stay off good servers.

Madness ~tr~
Member of the ACG

IceQueen~RGR - 2-10-2004 at 11:05 AM

Let's talk about strategy and intent.

IF you could control the flight of the helo, would you fly over the zone? Sure you would. I don't think that getting the vehicle to do what it does is "tricking"... it is directing the vehicle to move in a pattern that was programed... you aren't making it go where the programmers didn't want it to go. That would be cheating. Getting it to go in a pattern that it is designed to move in, is not glitching. Riding on the outside of a chopper is a reality. If the chopper goes in a different pattern (a programmed one) when you do this, then it is legal.

How do any of you know what the programmer intended for sure? Yes, with people INSIDE it, it goes this way.. with people OUTSIDE it, it goes that way. How is that glitching? And who is to say that the programmer didn't INTEND it to do that? To say you know... is speculation.

I still think it is a strategy and that is all.

Bongo - 2-10-2004 at 11:54 AM

Stock maps suck, they've always sucked and the will continue to suck.

People who use glitches suck, they've always sucked and will continue to suck.

This is a prime example why I refuse to play them. Gaming should be fun and custom maps made by knowledgeable mappers are the best way to fly.......no pun intended.

Eagle_Eye - 2-10-2004 at 12:42 PM

Who cares........it's only a Game for God's sake....haven't you got anything better to do? Go play the "game".....if you missed seeing the guy on the roof, and he capped your ass, that's your fault, for not seeing him...play as if your real life depended on it...look, listen, live....

try this

Gen-metal-WRT - 2-10-2004 at 03:19 PM

use teamwork to get a bunch of ur teamme,bers up there, have a few of them guard the helo, then u r set for the rest of the map LOL-

camouflage_Tr - 2-11-2004 at 07:11 AM

Icequeen,

I dont see how U dont think your tricking the chopper.

U put one outside the chopper, one goes inside the chopper then the chopper flies away.. while in flight the guy inside kills himself.. Now the chopper thinks its empty, so it goes back to base, not knowing that there is a guys riding the outside that can jump on top of the roof of the zone. Now a glitch has been created! If the creater intended for the Helo to go to the roof, then u wouldnt have to TRICK it to go there.. there for a glitch is created.

Camo~tr~

sharkozi - 2-11-2004 at 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by camouflage_Tr
Icequeen,

I dont see how U dont think your tricking the chopper.

U put one outside the chopper, one goes inside the chopper then the chopper flies away.. while in flight the guy inside kills himself.. Now the chopper thinks its empty, so it goes back to base, not knowing that there is a guys riding the outside that can jump on top of the roof of the zone. Now a glitch has been created! If the creater intended for the Helo to go to the roof, then u wouldnt have to TRICK it to go there.. there for a glitch is created.

Camo~tr~


I have to agree with Camo, tricking the helo to fly where it was intended to fly with NO players IN or ON the helo is a glitch.

There are alot of well known glitches in BHD so does that mean you should use them to gain the advantage? I think not. Its a well known glitch to climb part way up a wooden later then then turn and lean into the building it is attached to do see thru it to look for your opponents or even clays, its well known but that doesnt mean you should use it, its a glitch to gain an advantage over the other team. How about the well known glitch of laying part way underwater on a river bank and be able to shoot underwater at your opponent and kill them, again its well known and again its a glitch that gives you an advantage over the other team.

If this is how some players or even for that matter some squads need to play then its a sad day for BHD.


Shark -oZi-
Proud member of DFNCL

Sharptooth~RGR - 2-11-2004 at 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Eagle_Eye
Who cares........it's only a Game for God's sake....haven't you got anything better to do? Go play the "game".....if you missed seeing the guy on the roof, and he capped your ass, that's your fault, for not seeing him...play as if your real life depended on it...look, listen, live....


I agree with EE well said! ;)

IceQueen~RGR - 2-11-2004 at 08:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by camouflage_Tr
Icequeen,

I dont see how U dont think your tricking the chopper.

U put one outside the chopper, one goes inside the chopper then the chopper flies away.. while in flight the guy inside kills himself.. Now the chopper thinks its empty, so it goes back to base, not knowing that there is a guys riding the outside that can jump on top of the roof of the zone. Now a glitch has been created! If the creater intended for the Helo to go to the roof, then u wouldnt have to TRICK it to go there.. there for a glitch is created.

Camo~tr~



LMAO... how do you "trick" something that can't think.. it is an object in the game... it is programmed to fly over the zone when no one is IN, yes IN, the helo. There is no regulation that I know of that says you can't be ON< read ON, aka outside> the helo. I think it is silly that U (normally spelled you) think it is tricking... it was PROGRAMMED TO DO THAT.

Again I say... tactic, not glitch. It is my opinion and you can disagree if you want, your priviledge. I will agree to disagree and with the issue being 50% either way. I don't think this will ever get resolved. So I respectfully disagree with the tricking... aka glitch position.

Bongo - 2-11-2004 at 08:51 AM

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How about the well known glitch of laying part way underwater on a river bank and be able to shoot underwater at your opponent and kill them,


You can also climb on ladders that are underwater and shoot any and all weapons.......yet another glitch.

Its hard to control the actions of everyone, some are not aware that they are actually in a glitch until you point it out to them. Remember the stacking clays before an update to limit claymore to two?

I fail to see why people feel the need to manipulate the game and refuse to play in the way in which it was designed.

Stock maps are a terrible display in what can be achieved with the mission editor in my opinion and because of this I feel that anything goes. Your placed into battle on hapharzardly made glitchy maps in the first place so maybe the best thing to do is just be aware that some people (myself not one of them) insist on using them and play on.

Sharptooth~RGR - 2-11-2004 at 09:20 AM

According to the numbers 36% think it's a glitch to the 35% who don't so it depends upon whether or not you think it's a glitch.

I think that the best way to resolve this is if you are playing in a match talk about what is appropriate and what is not.
Work it out on a case by case basis and go from there.

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 11:55 AM

I didn't vote...

Hey Sharpy...I'll have you on my 6 anytime...these young people don't know how to play...they have no skills with tactics...it's all a run'n'rush job with them....and when they get their butt kicked..it's all because the "Game" is flawed. Steath is the key...and this means Look, Listen...

Use the old Book...here are the things to look for, the key to good observation....

Spacing...unnatural spacing
Surface....shiny, or doesn't fit suroundings
Silhouette...Don't walk on a hill line..or crest
Shape...un-natural shape
Shadow...don't cast a shdow
Movement...Don't move suddenly...

I'm not called Eagle Eye because I chose the name...it was given to me for a reason..

camouflage_Tr - 2-11-2004 at 12:24 PM

I will give you (yes U, says the same thing when U say it).Anyway, I was just trying to see your logic with this, thats all. Your right, everyone is entiled to there opinion. U have yours I have mine.

Sharp, U are absolutly right on.. the people setting up the match will have to discuss these issues before the match is played.


Camo~tr~

Sharptooth~RGR - 2-11-2004 at 12:32 PM

Thanks EE I would be honored to have you on my 6 too. Lord knows as a medic I need the cover...lol

Camo, Ice is a professor and so the U just doesn't sit right... Don't take offense man she is a good woman!

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-11-2004 at 03:12 PM

where did the poll go? dang this thread got over 1400 hits 60+ votes and most people that posted do not visit here reguarly so you all delete the poll and move it? I brought a lot of people to this site and you couldnt even say something about moving it or deleting the poll? whats the deal?

IceQueen~RGR - 2-11-2004 at 04:58 PM

Hey bro, with the numbers being even, I don't think it was going anywhere anyway. But you are right, good turnout for the subject.

Sorry, Camo, I understand what you meant, just have this thing for the English Language vs Slanglish or Internetonics....

ty, brb, lol, lmao fubar... U r a sob (not you, just an example bro :D ) ... stuff like that.

I spent a lot of time and money learning how to construct sentences that were grammatically correct. I want my money's worth at all times. n e 1 knot git at?

camouflage_Tr - 2-11-2004 at 05:33 PM

LOL icequeen, i git it..:P

I am presenting this thread to the ACG and putting up a new poll for the ACG members to vote on. I am intrigued by this issue. I want to see some other opinions about this. I will keep this thread posted about the ACG's findings.

Camo~Tr~


Can I get a critique on my english Icequeen? Proper english and I never mixed very well. :D

***illegal sig turned off ***

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Reynolds [TNT]
where did the poll go? dang this thread got over 1400 hits 60+ votes and most people that posted do not visit here reguarly so you all delete the poll and move it? I brought a lot of people to this site and you couldnt even say something about moving it or deleting the poll? whats the deal?


We, as Moderators decided this was a rant and rave, so it was moved...but not realising that the only place you can have a poll, is the public forum, the poll was lost...but you have your results...

Regards
EE

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-11-2004 at 10:53 PM

I wouldnt think a serious question would be ranting and raving but hey its not my call. Anyways thank you for the space for the post.

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 10:58 PM

NO, we didn't delete your post...it's right here, with all the original posts..we voted to move it to the rant and rave..so here it is...but, we lost the poll...

How could I quote a post that was deleted..it wouldn't be here..period..

No power trip here buddy....get a grip...it's only a poll..you saw the results already....you want me to delete it as well...and get rid of a perfectly good rant and rave...? just give me the word...

Don't forget to shut the door on the way out!

Regards
EE

Reynolds [TNT] - 2-11-2004 at 11:04 PM

ok

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 11:10 PM

I see the reply I quoted, it's still there, what are you talking about...take a look...above...just under Sharps last reply...the one with the animated sig...

Sounds to me your looking to bait the Mods into an arguement...or just lost your glasses...

HumanTarget - 2-11-2004 at 11:17 PM

I can see it tooo. so certainly not those eagle eye's not working or anything :P hehe. sorry couldn't resist

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 11:21 PM

Now you change your post above this to OK....is this an admission or am I just talking to myself..

Thanks Human, at least someone else saw this before he changed the post...luv the Pun mate..

KNARF-RGR - 2-11-2004 at 11:41 PM

I just tested it out, You DO NOThave to have 2 people to get it to work. First, get in the helo and "use" the right side minigun. aim it down and to the right (toward landing gear). Next, exit helo and then jump onto the landing gear...this is the same as being inside the helo or on the nose (it will take off and fly the normal patern). After the helo takes off, jump from the landing gear onto the minigun and the helo changes course and flys directly over the top of the Hotel (zone)...you can then easily jump onto the top of the building. I don't see it as glitching, but rather as creative technique.

Eagle_Eye - 2-11-2004 at 11:44 PM

LMAO Knarf...great description...I like that..

Regards
EE

camouflage_Tr - 2-12-2004 at 04:59 AM

If you were intended to get ontop fo the roof in house of pain, then they would of kept the cartwheel in the game so you could just go through the wall. The point being, your not supposed to be on the roof. Creative yes, but very creative glitch in the game. The underlying factor still remains. You are manipulating the chopper to fly in a direction it only takes when noone is in the chopper. So there for, a glitch.

Sharptooth~RGR - 2-12-2004 at 02:15 PM

I respectfully disagree with you Camo. They took the cartwheel out of the game because that was a glitch!
If they wanted you to stay off of the bldgs, they would have taken the chopper out!
Again not to repeat myself but here goes.... Leave it up to each individual server and match co as they will ultimately make the final decision anyway.
I'm so curious about what the map maker had in mind I'm gonna see what I can find out.
Oh and EE, you go boy!

IceQueen~RGR - 2-12-2004 at 02:22 PM

The cartwheel THROUGH A WALL to get on a roof is definitely a glitch.. getting on the roof by dropping from a helo, well that has been standard practice since the first demo.

I agree that match CO's need to discuss this prior to the match.

camouflage_Tr - 2-13-2004 at 03:26 AM

LMAO, this is getting funny. I also respectfully disagree. I wont reiterate what I have already stated. I already sound like a broken record. ;)

I will state this though. Choppers were made to get IN not ON. Thats whay you get killed by spinning blades. Play the game the way it is meant to be played.

With that said,I also agree that the match coordinaters will need to discuss glitches/fairplay before match time. No hard feelings RGR. Its been a great Debate. Feel free to reply, but this is my last post on this topic. I know when to say when. See ya around Queen and Sharp.

Respectfully,


Camo~tr~




Þoncho - 2-13-2004 at 07:09 AM

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It is a well known glitch - again, it's nothing more than a well known glitch!!! What's wrong with using a well known glitch? It's not like loading a trainer or a cheat when you play a well known glitch - everybody does it. What's the big deal?


if you read what a glitch is by definitioin...you'll realize that yes...you are cheating...heck, youve admitted it so, end of story........

Sharptooth~RGR - 2-13-2004 at 09:15 AM

Sabre what are you talking about? When did I ever admit to cheating? This was a debate of points of view that is all. I don't even play TKOTH...lmao

actually....lol

Þoncho - 2-13-2004 at 11:56 AM

i never accused you....the person who wrote the post i quoted....i scrolled up to make sure it wasnt you...either im as blind as a bat....i think the post is now missing...........................................

Eagle_Eye - 2-13-2004 at 12:13 PM

If this keeps up, I'm going to close this post as well....LMAO...

Get a grip People, it's a BL%$&Y Game...when you can write flawless code for such a complex game...give me a call...until then, play it the way it is...who cares if it's a glitch...It's like a marriage..for best or worst..play the game for what it is..a game, if you know it's a glitch, cool, grenade the top of the buildings...work around it...if you don't, then sell the game and go play something else...I for one are sick of people canning the Game...Yes, it's flawed...use your eyes when you play...what if I made a map exactly the same as the one in question, removed the helo, and put a ladder to the top of the same building in question....bet your butt you still get shot...even though you know the ladder is there..

Regards
EE

Bongo - 2-13-2004 at 12:57 PM

I fully agree w/ eagle_eye, although I disagree w/ people that are always looking for an easy way to win by using means that were not intended. Anyone ever heard of fairplay?

If you think you may be using what might be considered glitch then stop, its that simple.

Covert1^SOH^ - 2-13-2004 at 02:46 PM


my right to beat a dead horse...lol

Þoncho - 2-13-2004 at 05:11 PM
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Get a grip People, it's a BL%$&Y Game.....who cares if its a glitch


what are you suggesting....that I accept it when someone does glitch/cheat to gain an advantage over me in a server???

Eagle_Eye - 2-13-2004 at 06:50 PM

What's the advantage...you all know it's there...

Your never gonna stop people using it..complaining here isn't gonna reach all the Nova players.....there's nothing that can be done...unless you've taken the time to write a detailed post at Novaworld...or sent a detailed bug report to Novalogic...then, the issue may be addressed in the next update...

Why not write that detailed report...at Novaworld...then post a link here, we can all post comments there as well..or write that email to Novalogic..post a copy here, we can all copy and paste it into an email, and send in the same email...

Regards
EE

Bad Pup - 2-14-2004 at 08:46 AM

The chopper will do what its suppose to do, if your on it when it does, whats the big deal, Its no different then jumping off a chopper when its programmed to transport.

Oh by the way, defence choppers can be manipulated to fly a path you want it to. I wont say how but it's possible.'
If you dont like the issue dont use the maps with choppers in it. How hard could it be?

well

Þoncho - 2-14-2004 at 08:53 AM
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If you dont like the issue dont use the maps with choppers in it. How hard could it be?


well if you read the first post...you will see that it was a question regarding whether it was a glitch or not...somewhere along the threads, some if not most of us strayed away from the point/question itself......(me included)

XOKORN†U§M† - 2-14-2004 at 08:57 PM

obviously some peps are missing the point. It is not jumpin g from a chopper to a roof It is using two players on a chopper then one suiciding himself while the other player is on the external of the chopper making the game think the chopper is empty when in fact a player is in it. (this is a glitch) Also you can in reel life jump from a high elevation to a window ledge in life you can also climb a broken wall for a better view. If the chopper went over zone normally then fine. But the clitchers are taking advantaGE OF A GAME FLAW TO GAIN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. USMERCS will not allow this in our server. so obviously all squads will need to make a command descision on this matter. Hopefully they will also choose the honorable path and not exploit these major faults with nova products


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Eagle_Eye - 2-14-2004 at 09:22 PM

We are not missing the point...we just like to play the game.. As Is. Name me a game that is not flawed..geez..we don't care... we just want to have fun...it's a game... tell me your server name...and I'll make sure I avoid it...cos chances are...I won't have fun...cos your all gonna be waiting for the cheats..so you can blame someone for your loss....

Yes, you can tell, I'm sick of all the posts about glitch's, cheats, this team cheats..here's his IP.. etc...why can't people just play the game and have fun..make maps..have Lan night's..chat on ICQ...make friends from the other side of the globe...it's not the cheaters and glitches that Pee me off, it's the constant complaints about them...ignore them...all your doing is making it worse...just giving them a reason to live...don't bite...and they will go away..

There. I've said my bit...Now I'm staying out of this thread...

Regards
EE

GHOSTRIDER~RSU~ - 2-14-2004 at 10:09 PM

Hey eagle eye our squad dosen't like cheaters or murderers so we ban them we like to have fun in a clean game. we are made up of people all over the world.check out our site http://www.rsuarmy.cjb.net and u will see where we are from.

DeadBolt - 2-15-2004 at 01:25 AM

Eagle_Eye, While I agree with you for the vast majority of what you said there really are two different contexts that this discussion covers (and any discussion regarding glitching).

Just in it for the fun:
If you are just playing for the fun of it then definitely do as you please. If you don't like the server find another. So, for the most part whether it is a glitch or not doesn't matter so long as you remember 'house rules' in the server.


Squad/league/fair-play:
Whether it is generally accepted as a glitch is important at least to the people that play in a competitive format. Establishing guidelines is important to help avoid instances where a squad loses a match and feels it was directly related to a player taking advantage of a known game glitch.


So, for you and me, it really doesn't make a difference, when we play it is for a bit of fun. But it is fair for us to remember that others may be a bit more competitive and are seeking a level playing field.


With regard to this particular issue I imagine if you saw the map/script it has something along the lines of [if empty() return_to_first_waypoint]. Perhaps the choppers need to be covered in some crisco ;).

Eagle_Eye - 2-15-2004 at 03:06 PM

If it was anyone else but you Deadbolt...I wouldn't reply..lol..cos I said my bit...

I agreed..but I still think people take it way to seriously..I know you've spent a great deal of time on the problem, and I know why..I'm not blind to what goes on...but the fact still exists..there's a group people who are always going to stuff it up for everyone else...

Squads can organise passworded servers for match play and league stuff...no probs..but the bloke who wants a random game risks getting thrown out of a server for just being there..cos the server is paranoid that the unknown player is a cheater...it's gotten so bad that I only play on Aussie servers that know me.

Here's a typical response. Read this post from Bongo..
http://www.dfbarracks.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=6551

To take things down a notch...this is my opinion only...not meant to start a war of words.... If you don't agree...cool, I accept that, I know there are serious teams..but they are just going to have to Password their server, and have arranged games...as for the open servers...they take the risk of having cheaters come in..they just have to accept the fact that it will happen...using a glitch or whatever is a fact of life..

Anyway..you know how I feel about the situation...I know how you feel...

Kind Regards
EE


It's a pity that your cheatblocker is not a required install for Nova servers..

DeadBolt - 2-16-2004 at 07:24 PM

LOL, I agree EE, I just wanted to say it is healthy for the players to be arguing over whether it is a glitch or not. I don't agree with people taking the game this seriously but I do understand the reasoning especially with regard to match play. It is a buyer beware environment if there ever was one.

Didn't mean to drag you back in ;). We can both stay clear of it.

GHOSTRIDER~RSU~ - 2-16-2004 at 07:46 PM

Just remember peeps this is a known glitch just watch out for it and take steps to counteract this, ie shoot the person riding the chopper or lob grenades onto the roof top. And remember this is just a game don't take it too seriously.lol:P

Xepher - 2-19-2004 at 11:42 PM

ROTF.... Lets see in real life if I would crawl out on a MINIGUN and ride the Helo just to jump off.... Ummmmm :o


WOW, Can't stop laughin HELL YES its a glitch....