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FireWall - 6-24-2003 at 07:14 AM

Do you like America?

trigger*Deft* - 6-24-2003 at 08:34 AM

Do you like Matrix? NO! This is him again..the racsist cheater.

no doubt

Bad Pup - 6-24-2003 at 02:47 PM

As a matter a fact, yes I do LOVE IT.
I have served it, killed for it, dammed near died for it, lost alot of things for it.
I love its thieving lying polititions,
I love love its stupid laws. I love its over crowed polluted cities, i love its 2 teethed inbread country folk. I love the fact that anything we do if we dont like it we can change it.
If we dont like a law or a law maker we can remove it. If we dont like the leader we can get a new one. If we dont like the country at all, we can leave it. For that matter, we can leave it and come back without getting shot or wondering what happened to our family.
I love the fact I can listen to rap for an hour then change to opera or country.
I love the fact I can go to church when I please and how I please and if I wanted to I can start my own religion.
I love the fact I could be a trucker one day and a doctor the next. I love the fact I can sell everything I own and just do what I please.
I could go on for days but you know what I love the most about it, Any Country that you love!!

We could stomp it into a mud hole and make another just like it faster than I can clear an acre of land and put a doublewide on it.

trigger*Deft* - 6-25-2003 at 12:08 AM

We're Free...hehe, you need to go to school to be a doctor, lol, legally..jk. but Firewall, is a BORN CANADIAN, LIVED IN AMERICA, he pretty much is. He got picked on as a kid because he acted like a know-it all, so now he hates the world and the U.S., well, you know what Matrix? I hate you, I hate your white trash ways of getting revenge, if you don't like the U.S. and what it stands for, keep your mouth shut. I don't want to hear little 12 year olds like you crying to everyone. Go take a nap, so you won't be grumpy little Samuel. Good Canadian! :mad:

Eagle_Eye - 6-25-2003 at 12:09 AM

Hey Bad Pup, you'd make a great Aussie. LOL


aussie

Bad Pup - 6-25-2003 at 01:39 AM

Dan unda they call me.

Kino Punua Kuri,

well in kiwi land anyway.

Eagle_Eye - 6-25-2003 at 01:42 AM

Cool Bloke, you yanks are funny as well. lol.

Xzite - 6-27-2003 at 11:02 PM

ehehehehhehe ther jolly :P

Love it or Leave it

Cpt. Sweathog - 7-8-2003 at 11:42 PM

As far as I am concerned you have two choices when it comes to the great and wonderful land we call the U.S.A. you can either LOVE it or LEAVE it! I personally choose to LOVE it and will never in my life live anywhere else! Even if you don't agree with what's going on you can still love it. Then do something about the problems. That's what's so great about this country. Speak your mind, speak out against whatever and whom ever you choose, effect change, be your own person. I just think it's silly to hate the country when it's people have all the power to change it. Hate the people that don't stand up for change when it's needed not the country. Long story short Love it or Leave it.

Kitfoo - 7-10-2003 at 05:51 AM

Here here Bad Pup and Cpt. Sweathog!!! Been there in the mud with ya Bad Pup, and still doing it! ;):D

Gen.Walker_53rd - 7-11-2003 at 04:30 PM

I love the USA and there are things where I live that are going on that I don't like. So thanks to Sting pushing me closer to what I have always wanted to do, I will be trying to run for a local office.

Mojo2004 - 7-12-2003 at 02:23 AM

American people are normally really nice people, BUT, they have some strange tendencies to elect homocidal maniacs as the president.... like George W(armonger) Bush, who likes to go to war for no real reason;););)

check it

Bad Pup - 7-12-2003 at 06:45 AM

i can think of over 2000 at the moment that came to past on sept 11th. For you it may be no good reason but I can think of families of over 2000 people that would highly disagree with you.
And know this. be lucky it was Bush because if it was me in charge, The place would still be smoking. All of it. What those people do to themselves is not any of my bizz, but stay away from mine or thats your @ssssssss. When I seen them jumping for joy on the news. They would have really freaked when they looked up and seen the Anola GayII over their heads. When it comes to this Land. Eye for an Eye but I would just take your dammed head off. pardon that!!.

ORDER - 7-12-2003 at 07:34 AM

I have alot of american friends and america seems pretty nice minus the gun deaths and all. But it seems americans like to shoot first ask questions later. (American bombed allies because he was trigger happy)

A.Bullet - 7-12-2003 at 09:17 AM

Gun deaths.. LMFAO.. god.. yup suppose we should give em up so the people like you wouldnt have to be scared.. Dont you get it..

If guns were outlawed.. only OUTLAWS would have guns..

Freaking gun deaths.. LMFAO.. people with this mentalitly make me ill..

Heres another cliche for you.. Guns dont kill people - PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE..

Guns are a tool like any other tool.. if guns were illegal.. there would be hatchet deaths - or poison deaths - or machete deaths..

I would like you to find me any country on earth than has outlawed guns and had death stop.. if you can then MAYBE I will change my mind.. what a submoronic opinion. .LOL sorry.. but that comment just gets my ire up..

Also.. I assume you are talking about the canadian troops that were bombed in a training exercise..

Im sorry for the incident.. and I truly wish it hadn't happened, however with that said, GET OVER IT - its called friendly fire, and IT HAPPENS.. and not just to the US. Friendly fire incidents have happened in EVERY WAR since wars began.. and I would be more than willing to bet that with a little research where someone in the canadian military made a mistake.. however I guess I forgot the part of the US constitution where it states that Americans must be perfect and NEVER make a mistake -- get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself..

KAH Pimp - 7-12-2003 at 09:19 AM

Quote:
rrr America this ... grrr America that ... grrr ... u gun totin americans --- rrrr --- "oh no *hands to face*:o mr president we need help --- please help us" --- hey weren't you just --- rrr AMerica this and grrr America that --- yah but we need your help now --- ooOoo help me help me --- please ooo please help me *In rolls US military might -- oppressor squashed* --- rrr America this --- grrr AMerica that --- wth ??


oops sorry -- hehe -- got a little carried away relivin the way things go about us bad americans --- sorry about that -- YES matrix -- I love it -- I bleed redwhite and blue :D:D

KAH Pimp - 7-12-2003 at 09:22 AM

A.Bullet --- you might want to read this if you're not already aware bro --- and anyone else for that matter -- that is if yer stateside http://www.nraila.org/articles.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=114

Kitfoo - 7-13-2003 at 02:49 PM

Yup, I'm a lifetime member! :cool:

KING COBRA - 7-13-2003 at 05:19 PM

hey EDIThole america is the EDIT best country in the world we can blow up ur gay country in a heartbeat i hate these EDIT people that don't like america and these people that are americans that protested the war are a bunch of EDIT hippies i supported bush all the way

Please keep language to a minimum thanx, Dread

Havoc - 7-13-2003 at 08:50 PM

Rant all you want, but keep the language to a mimnimum

whoaa!!

Bad Pup - 7-15-2003 at 06:24 AM

I am glad about the deep belief and I am behind ya, but check the vocab Cobra.

Mojo2004 - 7-15-2003 at 06:36 AM

Hey Cobra, 3 things....

1) America has great people and places...
2).....so many of the presidents become obsessed with power, and go to war for no real reason....


AND THE OTHER THING...



you say you supported the war, and yes, sadman hu(in)sane was a tit, BUT where are these so called "weapons of mass destruction," it's either that british and american and troops are so blind that they can'ty find them, OR that they don't exist. Also, how many of our troops did you kill in friendly fire.... so many british soldiers died, before they even saw the iraqi scum.... can't you see my point...and yes, I am pretty dang wasted, BUT i still belief in all that I have just said.




Hey bad pup, where did you fight then (just out of interest.)

Raven~AoD - 7-15-2003 at 04:39 PM

Iv talked with lots of Americans and other people from other countries. And 1 on 1 they are all nice. Its not Americans or America that people have a problem with. Its Americanism that people disagree with, and too many have trouble distinguishing that.

ONE on ONE were are all much a like and have rich histories and we are all proud of our selves, and our countries, and thats the way it should be. But as for gov't shenanigans, meddeling and ****ey ness some countries are a little better at it than others.

Like i said before America and Americans(for the most part) are good, and wonderfull people. But Americanism bad.

Another thing is most people dont know whats going on around them even when they say they do.

isms are not good.

-Raven Out

Raven~AoD - 7-15-2003 at 04:43 PM

oh i forgot one thing. Try not to Drag A. Bullet in to these kind of situations. You cant win against him, hes a nice guy and has a lot of smarts to, just keep an arms length away from bad mouthing his country at all times lol. Isnt that right Bullet.:D

U.S.A....

payper_boy - 7-28-2003 at 11:54 AM

To tell the truth, i loove the usa for only one reason... the ability to do my carreer as a bounty hunter. Its a fun job and its got its pricks, but the rush keeps me coming back. Other than that, usa is a piece of crap, i server in Koreain war and lost 6 of my buddies. Gee, glad they died for no reason at all :( i miss em, aND NO IM NOT GAY!

Zohar - 7-29-2003 at 05:11 AM

To be honest this is the stupidest question with some of the stupidest responses I have ever seen. I think to avoid making fools of ourselves, we should not atempt to pit ourselves agaisnt one another with such ignorant threads. Life is not a game of "my country is better than yours" or "we could blow your country up" etc etc... we are all human beings. Do I like America? Well, I have "American" friends. I am an "American". I was born here, grew up here. And that is all that matters to me. I've had stronger opinions than that, even in this forum, but I will not judge a country as a whole. Ignorance fuels hatred, and I for one will have no part in it.

Mirage - 7-29-2003 at 10:52 AM

I would agree with Zohar, but seeing as I don't seem to be very popular in these forums anyway - What harm will this do.

Firstly, I don't 'hate' any particular person, or american people in general. What I do hate, however is what America is doing to the world.

One of the first things about America, as I am studying a degree related to the environment, is the fact that America is the biggest polluter of the world. It has not only backed out of many treaties, including the Kyoto protocal, which would have been of major benefit to the state of the world's environment had America signed up. The US currently contains 4% of the world's population but produces about 25% of all carbon dioxide emissions Also, by pushing capitalism and industrialisation upon developing countries for its own gain, it is also increasing pollution levels from these countries. Despite all this, the American goverment refuses to take responsibility for its actions, and is more concerned with relatively short-term economic gain, than the long-term well being of the environment. Did anyone notice how much money, energy corporations and heavy industrial firms donated to Bush's election campaign, in order for him to gain power, and them to increase their profits by being allowed to pollute. The need for preservation of our world far outweighs any economic benefits that America may gain. One of the reasons that america is not concerned is the fact that global warming in particular is not predicted to have as drastic and effect on the USA as in developing countries in warmer climates, such as those in Africa, which seems to be of of no concern to America.

The problems the USA is causing to the environment however, is only the tip of the iceberg. I also strongly disagree with America's foreign policy, which many Americans are ignorant to.

The cold war, for example has invoked strong anti-communist sentiments in American foreign policy. So strong in fact, that it has pushed its previously democratic foreign policy into what some might consider to be political fascism. History has shown that any non-democratic nation is likely to have had attempts funded and supported by the American government to displace their government (usually by killing or capturing them). These actions by the US government have often resulted in great human suffering. The country now known as the Democratic republic of Congo, for example was previously communist-run. America funded and armed a terrorist group in Congo, who were opposed to the government at the time, and the result? The once relatively peaceful country was thrown into a civil war which has lasted for decades, and great human suffering. And what has America done about this? Nothing, because the communist government no longer has power, as the country was thrown into chaos. America got what it wanted, and doesn't care about what happens afterwards. America is also responsible for many other similar incidences in Africa in its anti-communist campaign.

America is the world's biggest exporter of arms. It refuses weapons inspections and frequently ignores the UN and other international agreements, including its continuation to develop biological weapons (I don't even need to point out the irony in this do I?). Another treaty which America refused to sign was the Anti Land Mine treaty. Most of you will have seen the long-term devastation caused by anti-personall land mines - especially their inability to distinguish between a civillian and an enemy soldier.

The last problem which I will adress (and believe me, I have lots more) is that of Israel. Israel is a country with a very large influence from the USA. Both monetarially, and subsequently in political terms. Israel recieves 3 billion dollars in military support every year, to aid Israel in its illegal occupation of Palestinian territory. To allow Israel to kill innocent Palestinian people including children, destroy Palestinian citizens' homes and holy sites. And also to illegally suppy Israel with over 200 nuclear warheads, which breaches international agreements prohibiting the proliferation of nuclear arms.

All in all - These are some of the main reasons why I do not a gree with American policies. This is not to say that America does not do some good in the world. And I remind you again that this is not a knock on the ordinary American citizen. Most are ignorant, or choose to ignore such factors. The unconditional patriotism of many Americans, however, does strike me as odd, given the circumstances their country is in.

I can only hope that at least one person reads this and understands why some people dislike America.

A.Bullet - 7-29-2003 at 01:00 PM

Wow.. Mirage.. thanks for being perhaps the one person who has put forward a valid and thoughtful argument other than the US sucks because I say so..

However, keep in mind not all Americans are oblivious of the faults of the US government - but, in a country of 250 million people, one voice has very little effect.

Democracy is a great thing, and of that there can be no doubt, but when the USA was in its infancy Thomas Jefferson made the statement "A democratic society depends upon an informed and educated citizenry." (ok its questionable if he made the quote or if it was someone else LOL but its a good quote nonetheless)

This is no doubt the truth and in fact the main reason for the majority of problems with American society and American foriegn policy today is the lack of fundamental understanding or even a desire for a fundamental understanding of world issues.

The majority of American's are hard working people who are working to put food on the table and garner thier next paycheck and have no interest in foriegn affairs - they pay little attention to things happening outside of the range of thier eyesite - or perhaps the range they can drive in thier car in a few hours.

In the US .. money IS power.. the US media is controlled by the same puppet masters who fund general election campaigns - and when they feel a certain way on global issues and foriegn policy . .they see to it that the correct people are the ones to attain office at the same time that they control media bias to sway public opinion in the direction they would like things to go politically.

Its a scary thought.. but unfortunately it is true - the media in the US is the main information source for the majority of Americans - and although there is free press - the press is a business .. and like any other business money rules all.

The many diverse voices of American media are more and more being merged and compacted into large conglomerates with a stranglehold on information and the ability to sway public opinion to thier will with heavily edited propoganda peices designed with the sole intent of inflaming the American public to action on certain issues that they for right or for wrong feel are the 'proper' ideals.


Until real and effective campaign finance reform is put in place to stop the huge amount of influence the large corporations and the rich exert over politics, and until the American people realize that research of foriegn events that arent front page news is just as important as research of the 'current' crisis - things are unlikely to change..

Unfortunately about 95% of people in this country are uninformed.. and looking back at the quotation for earlier its easy to see how things have gotten so far off track..

Help make America a stronger country.. learn about foriegn events.. tell your friends.. make the people informed.. things will change - for the better!

Steptoe - 7-29-2003 at 04:09 PM

I got to agree with Zohar, its a stupid question, just to cause strife and division.
So lets all have a war and the country with the biggest bomb can win, does that make it the best country?
Of coarse Americans love America, Canuks love Canada etc etc.
Of Coarse I love NZ and would die for it, and not America, or dang near any other country.
And I believe NZ is a far better place than any other, just as everyone one here feels for their country.
This thread is dumb, piontless, stupid, and lacks total for thought.
And all the rest of u who took the bait....
no i will leave it that ...:P

Steptoe - 7-29-2003 at 04:29 PM

opps didnt mean to do this:P

Zohar - 7-29-2003 at 09:09 PM

"The last problem which I will adress (and believe me, I have lots more) is that of Israel. Israel is a country with a very large influence from the USA. Both monetarially, and subsequently in political terms. Israel recieves 3 billion dollars in military support every year, to aid Israel in its illegal occupation of Palestinian territory. To allow Israel to kill innocent Palestinian people including children, destroy Palestinian citizens' homes and holy sites. And also to illegally suppy Israel with over 200 nuclear warheads, which breaches international agreements prohibiting the proliferation of nuclear arms."

The amount of money given to Israel I agree seems quite absurd, and its support of their nuclear program as well. As a point to be made on the side regarding this post, as the "illegal occupation" issue was quite "on the side" as well, is that "Palestine" is not actually an official territory. And even using the term "territory" does not imply that anyone living in that territory, even claiming independence, is occupying it. I understand where you might be coming from, because there are many directions people view the issue from. It's harsh to say they are false, but I do feel clarity is the key. "Palestine" was a term used to describe the general area of land that Israel's borders currently contain. Even the early Jewish inhabitants of Palestine called it such, quite simply because before the Israeli War of Independence, no one considered the land to "belong" to any specific group other than its mandate owner, which was (before its Independence) Great Britain. To clarify that, by early Jewish settlers I am referring to Jews in the early 1900's, not the ones who lived there well before. "Palestine" has almost always been a mandate. For quite some time it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. Though specific racial groups may have dominated the land at any given time, they did not have the benefits of owning any part of it. To zoom back to the broad issue, which many overlook, Israel was not simply established by a radical bunch of Zionists, it was given to the Jewish people as a "national home" by the British, under the Balfour Declaration. This declaration was aimed at allowing the Jews a national identity in the land then known as Palestine, and freedom from oppression which they were suffering under the hands of Nazi Germany, and elsewhere. A mass migration took place, and the little sliver of land became crowded. Arab inhabitants began to fear that a Jewish government might arise, and conflicts began in the form of skirmishes. Many of the former inhabitants closed their shops, even left their homes. The Jewish newcomers pleaded with them in documented police cases not to alter their lives, but to work together. Skirmishes became small acts of terror. The inhabitants commonly known as the Palestinians were also granted protection by the British under a seperate document. The conflict, and the increasing violence in the region, led the British to limit the number of Jews entering the county, even a complete cessation. But with Jews worldwide fearing a Nazi takeover, this was impossible. The British pulled out of the region, and Israel began negotiations for independence. Attention to the region caused a widespread panic amongst the arab community of a Jewish revival in the "holy land", and countries such as Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq began their own negotiations. Violence reached an all time high in early 1948. A UN treaty was sent with Folke Bernadotte, who wrote in his book "To Jerusalem"... "The Palestinian Arabs had at present no will of their own. Neither have they ever developed any specifically Palestinian nationalism. The demand for a separate Arab state in Palestine is consequently relatively weak. It would seem as though in existing circumstances most of the Palestinian Arabs would be quite content to be incorporated in Transjordan." Global pressure was put on the Arabs, even by the Soviets. The UN partition had been introduced, splitting the land in half. The Jews accepted it quickly, since at that time they consisted of 30% of the population and only owned 6% of the land. The Arabs refused it, and called for Holy War. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of [your] beloved country with the last drop of [your] blood . . . ." The day Israel claimed independence, they were attacked by all of the forementioned countries simultaneously. This was not a political war. If you read up on the issue of Israel's Independence war, you will find that the aim was most often the "eradication" of the Jews, and the complete destruction of Israel. NOT the liberation of so called "Palestine"... In one of the more popular anti-Israeli websites, you will find this article: http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=162 ... Note how they fail to answer their own question. Do or did the Arabs want to drive the Jews into sea? Yes. It was quoted. For example: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Spoken by Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, in anticipation of victory over the new Jewish microstate in 1948 by the 5 invading Arab armies. The middle east is a mess, and though popular, the idea that Israel has no right to exist is outgrowing its biased and hateful roots. I seriously hate to bring up this comparison, but I must for the sake of preserving something truthful in this world. Should we, the citizens of America, be expelled from our country under the orders of foreign nations, and undure daily terrorist attacks, for our colonial takeover of this country? If the answer is no, is that to say that America DOES have a right to exist? And if so, is it because of America's political superiority to the former inhabitants? Or perhaps our military advantage? Or was it because we too were seeking freedom and a home of our own, at all costs? We fought bloody wars, and our adversaries fought back. Israel defends itself from terrorism on a tiny sliver of land they are continually trying to be edged off of. They have never sought annhilation of the palestinian arabs. Americans grew angry at Israel during the past years over the widely public "Death toll" which always had more Palestinian deaths than Israeli. Israel was (and is) killing their attackers, who, according to the Islamic religion and the Jihad, are bound to kill them to fulfill their own "duties?" War is unpleasant, and there will be casualties. There will be things some people don't wish to hear or see. Israel has its own regrets for some of the things their fight for independence has entailed. They are reminded of them daily by their many enemies and cold critics around the globe, while a blind eye is turned to the other side. America didn't just step in and support Israel for the heck of it. In fact, the leader of the first Israeli Air Force mission was an American volunteer. The lone casualty of that mission was South African. These were people who would not sit back and let the Jews be backed into a geographic pit and murdered. America may go overboard in terms of financial contribution. And I despise any nuclear plan, regardless of the situation. But it's not impossible to see why America has defended itself amid global pressure to break ties with Israel. We have the same background. In closing, you'll find in any good history book a quote by one of our leaders who said quite simply "Israel is like us."

Postscript : This isn't a flame against anyone, and I hope not to get any flames in response. You shouldn't have to know, but I'll say anyway, I have no religious affiliation at this time. I am an ordinary America, born and raised in the midwest, of all places (for our international friends, the midwest is reeeally American). I have just always defended Israel's freedom. Simple as that. I hope this clarifies something instead of inciting hostility. Direct flames to dev/null :P My point on America was already made, this was just a side issue I had to comment on.

Mirage - 7-30-2003 at 01:45 AM

I'm glad I provoked some intelligent responses to this thread.

PacmanLC - 7-31-2003 at 03:13 AM

ya i love america and to all u that dont ur country is probably getting aid from us. eiter food or money. and u think everyone is all rich in the usa ha ha ur wrong. that money u getting could be going to our homeless here. i personnaly think we shouldnt give that much to other countries. we are giving millions to africa to fight aids. the gov. could give that money to us and we would be much better off

just a opinion agree or not

Mirage - 7-31-2003 at 04:00 AM

I don't even think that's worth a reply...

Cr@cK - 7-31-2003 at 03:19 PM

Well Mirage,I wholeheartedly agree,not even worht a response.

Steptoe - 7-31-2003 at 05:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PacmanLC
ya i love america and to all u that dont ur country is probably getting aid from us. eiter food or money
just a opinion agree or not


Well I wil reply,
M8, ok u want us to get down on our knees and b eternally gratefull and do do your begging as your country see fit...
Stick it
We dont get aid , money, food, military support at all, we get trade restictions bans, and alsorts of crap that your government doesnt even tell u about.

And Y, cause we told u to stick your and every ones nuke ships in in our waters....
about 17 yrs ago.

Yet our troops have fought beside US troops in every war/police action except 1 in the last 100yrs, and to your gov, we are NOT freinds,

And u think this is isolated?

So dont come any attudes that we should bend to US gov wishes as they dictate, we are a free country and a free thinking ppl, with free speach.
And we have more freedom that the ppl of America, past that by US citizans who have worked and lived here.
We will stand up and do stand up for that regardless of any bully in the playground.

Zohar - 8-3-2003 at 06:33 PM

Pacman, I'm the only fool here willing to reply to your post apparently. All I want to say is your comment in reference to Africa was disgraceful. I hate to judge but I feel I would be speaking for pretty much everyone. Have some compassion for your fellow human being! We aren't sending ENOUGH to Africa!!!

Redneck - 8-5-2003 at 06:24 AM

well, i would have to agree both ways, one with pacman, the other with zohar. yes, we aren't sending enough money to africa and other countries. and yes, i think the gov't should spread the money out within the states. do tax cuts, do whatever. but, i'm going to bring up a issue that my grandfather fought for.
1. Why does america always go out and fight another countries war? Why should we as americans allow the gov't to rip apart a family, a father and his baby boy, a son from his parents. to go off, and get shot up, and sent home in a box? now i can understand iraq, and afghanistan, i agree with bush on that 110%. because somewhere in either country lies the perpetrator who is behind 9/11 ( may god rest their souls). But, think about the Korean war, think about, vietnam. and the main reason why we went to wwII was cuz of japans ass bombin pearl harbor. now, for that, forget 2 Atom bombs, i would wipe that country completely off the globe..I have a bunch of friends right now in Iraq, who are fighting to KEEP us back home safe. how many countries do you KNOW of that actually do that.. Look at france, they chicken'd out..Where were you at france? you know, America will remember that, how france left us pissing in the wind. your time will come, when you need our help. and one other thing, when 9/11 happened, and all them rag heads, started dancing in the street, you just don't know the feeling of hatred for anyone of that race..I felt probably what the other 12 million people felt..And now, we are over there helping them. funny how things change in a matter of time. they went from hating us to loving us. so don't down america, we have been thru alot in this great nations past, and look at us now, Still Standing Strong, and always will.

Steptoe - 8-5-2003 at 07:25 AM

Hope my sentaments above are anti America, no, leans more to a few polcies that r not right.
America as u Americans have stated, its not perfect...
Just a small note here....
What country ha been in more wars and police actions than anyother country in the last 110 odd yrs...
And may well have fought beside more than anyothers.....
This little country in the middle of the biggest Ocean in the world, tucked dowm on the roaring forties. New Zealand,
We dont ask aid, or get any, we give it...
We are of no threat, ecomonically, or miltary, or even overstayers/socailly.
Yet we are treated , not by the people, but by there elected Government as a country that poses a or has attacked America
Now look from our point of veiw?
Would u then be a fan of America?
Americans wonder y there is such an anti American feeling....but there government doesnt tell them about these things.....

Im posting this not knocking America, but hopefully to give a little understanding from both sides....

Mirage - 8-5-2003 at 08:43 PM

Redneck, your post comes accross as somewhat racist. Not intentionally of course, but who are 'they'? Arabic people? Muslims? You really can't generalise like that. I don't know exactly what media input you have over there, but I didn't get the impression that most Iraqis were 'pleased' you invaded their country. As for your comments on WW2 - Japan was a dictatorship at the time of WW2, which means the people of the country did not have a say in whether they went to war or not, so 'wiping their ccountry off the globe' is not a very intelligent thing to say.

I did not support the war in Iraq, neither did I support the war in Afghanistan. Few Americans know that more innocent civillians died in Afghanistan (at least 3000) than died in the 9/11 attacks (roughly 2500). I'm not saying either incident was right, and I am in no way justifying the actions of Al Quaida. But the result of the war in Afghanistan was effectively nil. The Taliban were once considered to be American allies, while you funded and armed them during their war with the Soviets. It is probably fair to say that the Taliban were a brutal and ruthless group, but nowadays they have only been replaced by other brutal and ruthless groups. Women still have very little in the way of human rights in the country, and you still haven't found Bin Laden or any other major terrorists. In fact, everything the US went to war for in Afghanistan seems to have failed (except the fact that they needed to show how big and tough they still were - A lot of Americans felt they needed to see the blood of the perpetrators of 9/11 spilt, so America went and killed the closest people it could find to the 9/11 terrorists).

I'm sure everyone's heard the reasons to oppose the war in Iraq a million times, which are basically summarised by the fact that:

- Iraq's connection with terrorists was disproved.
- There were no WMDs.
- Iraq never posed any kind of threat to the United States.
- The argument that the country needed to be 'liberalised' was weak, as most Iraqis didn't want their country to be invaded. Plus the fact that there are dozens of countries with reigimes similar to that of Iraq, and I'm sure even the USA isn't prepared to attack half of Africa and the Middle East.
- UN backing was not given (and for good reason).

Raven~AoD - 8-7-2003 at 01:54 AM

Zohar dont take this the wrong way bud i skiped ur novels u left on here.

A-Bullet that was a great post and i agree with you 100%. Im Still basking in the glow of its greatness. I dont think Americas forign policies are compleatly wrong but the US government went about it the wrong way. What the should have done is said something like they did the President did in the begining of the movie AirForce One. Anyway im on the phone while im typing this and i forgot what i was gonna say. I ll think about and be back l8er

Zohar - 8-16-2003 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Redneck
1. Why does america always go out and fight another countries war? Why should we as americans allow the gov't to rip apart a family, a father and his baby boy, a son from his parents. to go off, and get shot up, and sent home in a box? now i can understand iraq, and afghanistan, i agree with bush on that 110%. because somewhere in either country lies the perpetrator who is behind 9/11 ( may god rest their souls). But, think about the Korean war, think about, vietnam. and the main reason why we went to wwII was cuz of japans ass bombin pearl harbor. now, for that, forget 2 Atom bombs, i would wipe that country completely off the globe..I have a bunch of friends right now in Iraq, who are fighting to KEEP us back home safe. how many countries do you KNOW of that actually do that..


Well, as it has already been pointed out, Iraq has no identifiable connection with terrorism. Not of our country, anyway. Saddam and his regime were known for terrorism within their borders (but we weren't too keen on helping the Iraqi's then, interestingly, in fact we betrayed them.) The terrorists you speak of were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, two American "allies" at the moment, not speaking of course of bin-laden. The thing here is... you can't blame an entire country for one man's deeds. Or, in your words, two countries. Full of human beings, not all of whom are guilty of anything at all. The mentality of blaming an entire country for one man's deeds is what caused 9/11... you say you would wipe Japan off the face of the earth because of the Japanese military's actions? Sounds like something bin-laden would say. He hates our military, he hates our politics, so he kills innocent civilians to make his point... that's what America did to Japan. I will not judge you, but your thoughts should bring you shame.

Crusader - 10-3-2003 at 11:46 AM

"killed for it"

And where did you kill for it?

Bullet_Patriot - 10-3-2003 at 01:30 PM

yeah I like it, Why? The freedom to do things, the best entertainment you can find, and plus you will find just about anything in this country that you cant find in others.

But you know somethign? I dont like Canada, why you ask? Canada couldnt defend their own country they so poor, Canada is a bunch if idiots, Well most of East Canada is, I aint gonna say everyone is since I have a couple of good Canadian Friends.